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Originally posted by alienj
reply to post by LDragonFire
Thanks you LDragonfire for a post that should bring awareness, those men and women fighting overseas gives us the ability to state whatever crazyiness we want to on forums like this and we should go out of our way to make sure they get the recognition they deserve. The deserve so much more but for now its a start....
Originally posted by GhostR1der
reply to post by argentus
I have no problems supporting troops in dire situations like WW2 and the likes which is actually defending your country.
From Publishers Weekly
Historians have long debated whether President Roosevelt had advance knowledge of Japan's December 7, 1941, attack on Pearl Harbor. Using documents pried loose through the Freedom of Information Act during 17 years of research, Stinnett provides overwhelming evidence that FDR and his top advisers knew that Japanese warships were heading toward Hawaii. The heart of his argument is even more inflammatory: Stinnett argues that FDR, who desired to sway public opinion in support of U.S. entry into WWII, instigated a policy intended to provoke a Japanese attack. The plan was outlined in a U.S. Naval Intelligence secret strategy memo of October 1940; Roosevelt immediately began implementing its eight steps (which included deploying U.S. warships in Japanese territorial waters and imposing a total embargo intended to strangle Japan's economy), all of which, according to Stinnett, climaxed in the Japanese attack. Stinnett, a decorated naval veteran of WWII who served under then Lt. George Bush, substantiates his charges with a wealth of persuasive documents, including many government and military memos and transcripts. Demolishing the myth that the Japanese fleet maintained strict radio silence, he shows that several Japanese naval broadcasts, intercepted by American cryptographers in the 10 days before December 7, confirmed that Japan intended to start the war at Pearl Harbor. Stinnett convincingly demonstrates that the U.S. top brass in Hawaii--Pacific Fleet commander Adm. Husband Kimmel and Lt. Gen. Walter Short--were kept out of the intelligence loop on orders from Washington and were then scapegoated for allegedly failing to anticipate the Japanese attack (in May 1999, the U.S. Senate cleared their names). Kimmel moved his fleet into the North Pacific, actively searching for the suspected Japanese staging area, but naval headquarters ordered him to turn back. Stinnett's meticulously researched book raises deeply troubling ethical issues. While he believes the deceit built into FDR's strategy was heinous, he nevertheless writes: "I sympathize with the agonizing dilemma faced by President Roosevelt. He was forced to find circuitous means to persuade an isolationist America to join in a fight for freedom." This, however, is an expression of understanding, not of absolution. If Stinnett is right, FDR has a lot to answer for--namely, the lives of those Americans who perished at Pearl Harbor. Stinnett establishes almost beyond question that the U.S. Navy could have at least anticipated the attack. The evidence that FDR himself deliberately provoked the attack is circumstantial, but convincing enough to make Stinnett's bombshell of a book the subject of impassioned debate in the months to come. (Dec.)
Copyright 1999 Reed Business Information, Inc.
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Those of you who say you don't support us very likely have never had the chance to be part of something bigger than yourselves. Stay behind your desk please. You're not strong enough to do it anyway.
Nice Personal attack/Logical Fallacy
Yes we volunteered. Yes we chose this path. And yes some regret it, but more often then not the members that I serve with DO understand what is going on out forward. We DO realize what is going on. You want to say that the media portrays the war as the White House tells them to? Wha??? Sorry, you must get better newspapers and TV programs than I. What the media produces and what I've seen and see are two completely different stories. You want the truth, open your eyes. Get passed the the headline and really read and listen to the stories. Read some Milblogs. Then, at the end of the day if you're still confused and want to call CONSPIRACY or COVER-UP
So you're saying that the real stories are different than the media stories? Last time I checked thats what a cover up was...
...maybe do some more looking into things and realizing that you don't, can't and won't know everything.
I've been a lurker on this forum for some years now with no replies, however I get sick every time I see one of these threads and all the horrible things said about the members in our military. My members. My friends. Real human beings.
1,000,000 dead Iraqis were real people also.
To the joker who said that we must accept responsibilities for our actions...I agree. But that "OUR ACTIONS" part belongs to those back here at home as well.
I already said I accept responsibility for my actions, and can answer for no one else.
My prepare for war pamphlet didn't tell me it would cost my marriage and everything I had before I returned home. It's because of those who care for nothing of their Military forces (Those that will be crying in a corner and blaming the Military and White House for not having thought ahead and stopped the assault on our Homeland before their house was blown up)
911 ring a bell? The war in Iraq is stopping a repeat how exactly? I really want you to answer that if you do believe what youre fighting for.
that allow people to not care...to forget that we out forward are human. Are alive. That we deserve the same respect any human being on this Earth are due.
You are fighting in a war I do not believe in under the false pretense set forth by my government that I do. IF you totally believe you are fighting for freedom and not under false pretenses I respect you for that. I do not support the war, and you are a tool of the war, so do not expect my support.
I may have gone off topic a little...I apologize. I find this site to be very well run and organized and did not intend to vear off.
Originally posted by sos37
You are sadly mistaken! Bureaucrats make the war and sit back to watch the carnage which is what Congress and the folks in the White House are doing. Soldiers take orders and do what they are told.