Has Dan mentioned where he did this 80 mile a week run? Is it on a treadmill, or outdoors? Either way it seems an extreme amount of running, 4 hours a day he says. Wonder if he takes the baby along for the run? His wife works while he does the childcare, so he must have to run when she gets back. Unless he has a babysitter, which he didn't mention in response to my previous question regarding this, and still maintained he is primary caregiver while she works. I have a hard time believing he alternates from sitting idly at a computer and then switching gears and being Mr. Active, and at the same time keeping an eye on a baby. His wife said she usually goes to bed and leaves him to play on ATS, so he must be on ATS at the same time he runs, if he runs when she gets back.

I suppose one could look at his posting habits to see if there's a routine scheduled 4 hour period each day that he never posts, not including reasonable UK time sleeping hours of course.

I also wonder about his electrocution scarring, he showed as a redness. Wouldn't that type of electrical bolt cause charring or blackening of the skin? And if anyone knows about these electrical voltages, the contact between him and the fishman, when the charge was fired at him. Depending on how one or both of their bodies were in contact, would fishman, if touching Dan at the same time, not also have received the current? Or could Dan have suffered a lethal heart attack, if his body was positioned to create a circuit?

In one post he says the baby was placed at the bottom of the bed in it's baby bed thing, then in other posts by him or his wife, the baby was beside her, in between them. He sees fishman reaching for both wife and baby and pulls fishman down to attack him, but miraculously fishguy doesn't land on baby and crush it. Then you have his wife tossing knives across the baby and an axe.

I don't know how old this baby is, but unless he can't afford proper sleeping arrangements for her, it's just plain irresponsible to have a baby in bed with you for the entire duration of a full night's sleep, each night. It could roll off the bed, be kicked by them and worse, suffocated by blankets. At one point if they're still sleeping with baby, it'll be getting a hold of Dan's knife and Axe collection.

[edit on 13-7-2008 by violet]

A possible explanation:

REM Behaviour Sleep Disorder

Google Video Link

www.emedicinehealth.com...



I think that if Dan is not purposely hoaxing us then he should see a sleep disorder specialist.


[edit on 13-7-2008 by TheComte]

The work out routine the OP claims to follow would certainly not be possible with little to no sleep. Trust me.

He's gone.
You can stop beating him up now.

Unless you just want to make yourselves feel special.

- Lee

I think the next OP of a similar alien attack scenario thread will have to employ OJ Simpsons team to validate the story

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Bravo Stockburn, excellent idea.

I will match your wager. The mods may contact me also concerning my ability to pay up.

It is well past time for Dan to get off the pot and make good his claims.

Cheers

I've got 4 or 5 high res photos of Culloden & the woods behind, taken July last year, can forward them on to members if they think it'll add anything. U2U me (won't post them here because my friend is in the photos & I havent sought his permission).
That part of Scotland is far from remote. Culloden lies only a mile or 2 from the outskirts of Inverness, a city of maybe 35,000-40,000 ? There is a certain weirdness about Culloden, it's very bleak at the best of times. In Culloden Woods there's seemingly a well where folks leave offerings to water spirits although we never had the time (or inclination) to go see it.

You'll have to trust me on this but I'm adamant a guide at Culloden told us there was a well in Culloden Woods where folks leave offerings to the spirits. Wiki seems to confirm it (see Culloden entry).

There's another well a few miles north of Culloden, check this one out, the photos are a bit freaky.

The Clootie Well

BS_Slayer asked to see my own photos. Don't think they'll add a great deal but have sent them onto him anyway. How relevant any of this is to the OP's account is anyone's guess.

I remember reading another thread a couple of months back with someone showing that exact same pic but with 2 if them.

I remember I think it was Internos who did a comparison with them showing how the angles were exactly the same and how the image was copied and pasted.

Well if nothing else good came out of this thread, it at least forced me to sign up for ATS... I have been a long time reader on the forums, and have posted from time to time anonomously, but have never had enough urge go sign up until now.

I mentioned in 2 anonymous posts the ludacrious nature of a lot of posts made by doubters to this thread. I would like to state in no uncertian terms my standing on what has transpired here as well as some of my concerns.

It seems pretty obvious to me that something happened here. I don't think a member who has been a part of ATS for this long would just come up with a story out of the blue and decide to throw it out there. The ammount of detail and passion that could be pulled out of his initial post also leans to that fact. I can't say that I believe the story 100% as it was recounted though. The problem lies in the way the "debunkers" have gone about doing their best to call this story a hoax, and how most have made it their personal mission have this thread closed so they could point a finger and say "look I was right. Everyone pat me on the back"

The self titled "critical thinkers" have wasted their efforts looking the wrong direction, and grasping at straws (his knife has a fish scaler, look how he spells colour, how can he run so much) while trying to discredit the author. In more cases than not, these so called critical thinkers and debunkers got their facts wrong, and 5 minutes of research, or rereading a post could have proven extremely usefull.

As I stated in the begining of my post, I found the recounting of this story hard to believe in its entirety. That is not to say that I didn't believe Dan and his wife. I think it would be more beneficial for the critical thinkers to ask important questions. If some unusual event did occur, why was it remembered this way? Were the ET's testing Dan and or our species? Is it possible that something entirely different occured, and the aliens implanted this memory for Dan and his wife in lieu of the truth as it would make them feel more comfortable with what happened, and if so, how can we help Dan get to the bottom of what really happened? If this was some type of test, or if these memories were altered purposfully, WHY? What reason could a species of higher intelligence have for conducting these types of activites.

I am sure there are millions of other questions that could be raised by someone looking at the situation objectively rather than pointing a finger and screaming hoax. As it was stated multiple times throughout the thread, the way most of the finger pointers conducted themselves was only slighty more mautre than 3rd graders on the playground. This type of behavior can only serve to stifle future members, and posts, as well as possibly causing important information to be missed, and objective questions from being asked on the current thread.

Dan, if you are still reading these threads, thanks for sharing your story. I hope this has not left you with a bad taste, and if more information becomes available to you in the future, I hope you are willing to share it. I know the naysayers spoke the loudest on this thread, but there are people who are appreciative of your efforts.

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Charlies, I did that. That is, I looked at some of the more important flaws and pointed them out (I believe on page 60). Dan has not responded as far as I can tell, to any logical questions regarding the incident, he has only responded to those who are using personal attacks or getting into debates over nonsensical issues. He hasn't addressed any of the holes in his story.

You can't assume just because someone "seems" legitimate, they are so. Just look at the neighbors of serial killers, who never thought they would do that. Posting on this board for a long while proves nothing. Maybe he was bored with the status quo and wanted to liven things up.

In short order, the issues I have, none of which were addressed:

1. Lighting. Makes no sense in how he portrays it. Shadow figure "flits" around the corners of the room (which btw, if you think about it, is laughable, since I have many things along my walls, like dressers, tv stand, etc.). Then after a few minutes.. steps up to the bed. Tadah! There he is. Where did he come from? No one turned a light on during the fight, but his wife threw a knife to him. Try staging a little fight in your room tonight. With a nightlight, with no light.. tell me if any of his story jives.

2. Where was the child? What size bed WAS this? He told the story as if it was on the other side, near his wife. But then pulled it down onto the bed. Over his wife and child? He was stabbing it on the face, on the bed, over his baby? You buy this? I don't buy this. And the child gets no more mention at all.

3. Fight scene. Lots of issues here. Things like: In the start of his post, he was fairly clear he stabbed it from 3 to 5 times in the face as he "wrestled" with it in bed (which makes no sense.. he went from stabbing in the face, to "wrestling" with it later, just another changed bit of his story), and another 30 times on the flood. Then it tried to make its escape. Later, he said he stabbed it over 100 times. Why the difference in #'s? That's a huge difference. Again, not addressed by Dan. Eye exploded, but later his "wife" said it was "hanging" down its face. Knife deeply embedded in shoulder, yet it then rolled onto its back. Etc. et al.

4. Dramatic flair. He does this a lot in the story. Which is something a storyteller does, and not how a witness would describe events. From "knowing" that the creature knew it was going to die, to it holding its palms upwards before "wobbling" out. Eyeballs exploding, hanging down its face, face in ribbons, etc. It's a bunch of (mostly violent) abjectives and flair to try to give the story impact. Something someone writing fiction does.

5. Wife isn't his wife. It's him. Aside from the identical writing styles, and his wife being far too descriptive about the violent bits, two people so badly hacking the word ordinary is no way cooincidental.

6. Injuries.. or lack thereof. He should have been much more battered and bruised. I used to spar all the time, and had some very solid bruises after each. He has next to nothing. And yet he beat it from 30 to 100+ times?

7. Multiple other issues include ufo pictures after the fact, the ridiculous clean up that removed all the "marmalade blood" from all fibers of the floor afterwards, and thus removing all evidence, Dan's tone in his posts, and posting in other subjects as if this never happened, the bragging, of which there is plenty, etc. Even his sig about humans, 1, aliens, 1000 or whatever it is, is him pounding his chest. It's just not realistic.

So ok, you feel free to believe him because of the fact that he has posted here awhile. I will choose not to believe him, because his story is far-fetched, full of logic issues, and has far too many unbelievable moments, and a serious amount of dramatic flair.

Why not? Maybe the user got bored and decided to tell a story? Notice how the main theme isn't the 'visitation', it's his over the top, uber macho response. We see pictures of his knives in the very first post.



Hard to believe? Why not examine your reasons for saying that? Instead, you post convenient explanations about 'implanted' memories. You don't solve a puzzle by adding layers of complexity which are harder to believe, such as an alien technology which can cause implanted memories.



Argument by hyperbole. Nobody "screamed" anything. All but one or two posts were polite and thoughtful.



Please quote these 3rd graders type posts. You're using guilt as your argument that no logical faults were found in the story and the aftermath.



Wrong again. It's the hoaxers which stifle 'future members' not those who would examine the stories. It's the hoaxed stories which pollute the field. As you say yourself, this story is beyond belief and requires technological assistance to be explained as a planted memory.



I hope it's left a very bad taste for posting stories which are clearly, to use your own words "hard to believe". If you post the truth you have nothing to fear. In addition how can a few pointed questions cause more trauma than an attack by a large alien creature?

Thanks for your comments, and good to have you as a member.



[edit on 13-7-2008 by Badge01]

This is certainly an interesting thread. So I'm not surprised at the number of responses, nor that some detractors continue to visit it. There are rational, good, common sense questions being ignored as to the actual event.

Unfortunately, The OP has failed to help his case by refusing to answer even the simple questions.

Nobody is out to get him. Everybody is out to get to the truth.
That may never happen, but there is no harm in trying.









[edit on 7/13/2008 by garyo1954]

[edit on 7/13/2008 by garyo1954]

In one of Dan's most recent posts, can't find it sorry (pages won't load) he answered a question about seeing a doc about his injuries and them being called a dermatitis ? caused by a chemical irritant or whatever. The doc advised him to use a different wash powder, and "don't use a sunbed much". Sunbed? Does this mean he generally goes to tanning salons, and should cut back? Or is the sunbed a lounge chair to sit outside? Who cares either way, but it doesn't jive with him making another statement regarding the pics of his body, and no-one as far as I know mentioned the colour of his skin, but he just throws out a random answer "...and I'm whiter than white too, cus I live in a wet cold climate". This leads me to speculate that Dan had to come up with a name for his skin condition, then he googled some treatments for it and not using a sunbed was one of them.

I'd also speculate he doesn't have a child, or at least one that lives with him, indicated by his lack of knowledge at the time required to take care of one, amongst other signs he has no inkling of full time parenthood. It's like he wants this story to have a motive for his violence, and protecting a wife and baby is the best one he can think of. He thinks how it will be best to have the scene play out with the entire family in the same room, and it seems reasonable that a parent will often lay down with their child, but he gets it all wrong, as to how a child would sleep in that situation, which is age dependant. Not knowing the age of the kid makes it difficult to go through his statements, but it seems the kid is anywhere from a few months old to 2 yrs old, he calls it a baby anyways. Anyone who has had kids will know that there is huge difference between a newborn, to one that is one 3mos, 6mos, 1yr, to 2 yrs old. He talks as if they just plonk this kid down at the end of the bed like the family pet.

When he protests the members questions and says stuff like I've had enough of the flaming, here's your RIP sign, he never says he's scared for his family or child. They are not foremost in his mind, unless he's answering why he beat up fishman, then they come up. He's more concerned with his self-appointed reputation on this forum and ATS points, and RATS.

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Sorry Violet. I don't see any of what you are saying at all. Of course, it is all a matter of opinion, but a lot of you are reading into it a bit too much and sounding more ridiculous than the OP himself (ridiculous to you, that is).

A possible reptilian? That is very interesting story...But man I wish you would have taken a picture with your cell phone!...That would have been sweet.

Whether or not the other guy was in a fight or not (the other story)

They both went to sleep. One person had the common sense to snap a picture. Whatever it is we will never know.

Was that person telling the truth? If so, was he banned for that?

I guess these questions don't really belong here but didn't really know where to ask them without starting a new thread and I didn't want to do that.

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Ok, I accept your critique. Fair enough. I agree about the nit-picking, and maybe it is ridiculous. The point I was trying to make, and am done with making, is it appears his wife and child are fictitious. I apologize if my posts are out of line towards anyone (who endure any such experiences) and that includes Dan, but I can't apologize for my opinions.

I agree with violet on this point. And here's something to think about:

When the OP was challenged to produce a knife with a broken blade, he 'did.'

When the OP was challenged to produce evidence of survival gear, he jumped at the chance and demanded an apology.

When asked to prove he had a wife with wedding photos with blacked out faces, he produced a hand and over sized wedding ring.

What I'm saying is the OP is eager to prove someone wrong. And when he can produce incontrovertible evidence to the fact, he's 'in your face' about it.