Female Survivalists.

LOL LOL LOL Riley,

I'm sorry again....

I need to stop doing that ...apologizing.
I did not realize that you are still up down under. But then again..I don't actually know what time it is over there. It is 12"57 in the AM here in Virginia.

LOL LOL...Contraception is also a concern of males too. I cannot imagine what you are thinking here. It is not a female only prerogative.

I am grown up Riley. I understand that "Rape" is a concern of women. It is not my primary concern...good times or bad. It will not also be a woman's primary concern in a survival or situation X scenario. Day to day survival and for the family or group will be the primary concern.
As I clearly stated..I have only so much time for a woman's insecurities. Men's insecurities too. Good times and bad.

As you can see by my above this one post I Have no objection to a woman protecting herself. I think this is just good prudence or judgement.

I don't have a lot of time or respect for women or men who just "discuss" it.
Sooner or later you have to "do" not discuss.

How do you think most prudent women will handle it in situation X or TEOTWAWKI? Discuss it more?? This is not a selfish, self indulgent, or melodramatic question.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Originally posted by orangetom1999
LOL LOL LOL Riley,

I'm sorry again....

I need to stop doing that ...apologizing.

Especially when you obviously don't mean it.

I did not realize that you are still up down under. But then again..I don't actually know what time it is over there. It is 12"57 in the AM here in Virginia.

LOL LOL...Contraception is also a concern of males too. I cannot imagine what you are thinking here. It is not a female only prerogative.

Women have to survive with the consequences if they get pregnant.. many women would have to go it alone. Any advice on how a woman can avoid rape, conception or any advice on how to guarentee a healthy pregnancy and delivery during sitX? Any advice on how to take care of newborns? What to do to prevent infection afterwards?

Oh thats right.. such concerns are merely "female insecurities".

I am grown up Riley. I understand that "Rape" is a concern of women. It is not my primary concern...good times or bad. It will not also be a woman's primary concern in a survival or situation X scenario. Day to day survival and for the family or group will be the primary concern.

Well.. if that is the case perhaps you can contribute to a thread about day to day of family and GROUP survival and not one about FEMALE survival. You seem hell bent on making it about what YOU think is important and what YOU think should be a main concern and any attempt to talk about other womens issues is derailed. I am all for learning how to get food from the wild.. (and know quite a bit) but I want to learn about this stuff as well.

As I clearly stated..I have only so much time for a woman's insecurities. Men's insecurities too. Good times and bad.

yet you have expended so much time trying to shut me up on the issue of rape..

As you can see by my above this one post I Have no objection to a woman protecting herself. I think this is just good prudence or judgement.

Even though your other posts have dismissed it as being an unimportant "insecurity". It doesn't really matter what your last post says as you've attacked me yet again for trying to discuss how women can protect themselves.

I don't have a lot of time or respect for women or men who just "discuss" it.
Sooner or later you have to "do" not discuss.

It is a DISCUSSION board.

How do you think most prudent women will handle it in situation X or TEOTWAWKI? Discuss it more?? This is not a selfish, self indulgent, or melodramatic question.

More veiled insults.
No one has been able to discuss it.. you have tried your best to derail the subject (of rape and contraception) everytime we made progress. I do not think you are even interested in discussing FEMALE survival. It's almost as though you are trying to sabotage it; as soon as I mentioned contraception and rape you went on the attack.

this is an important thread and I do not want it closed due to drama. If you do not think rape and contraception are important enough subjects to discuss.. opt out of the disscussion altogether.

[edit on 14-9-2008 by riley]

Ok..Riley,

I must make haste here before shoving off to work again.

My point here is that Womans Survial ..even others survival is more than just rape and pregnancy.

However...this point seems to be lost and is deteriorating the quality of the board here.

I will now do my part and desist from this tack and let you get in the last word.

Please continue on this tack as it is primary..even above the survival of others in a group..or even singles. As you have clearly stated...it is the
"main thing."

Thanks,
Orangetom

Originally posted by orangetom1999
Ok..Riley,

I must make haste here before shoving off to work again.

My point here is that Womans Survial ..even others survival is more than just rape and pregnancy.

Never said it was the only important concern.. but you seem to have been against ANY discussion of it.

There's no need for snarkiness (is that a word?) to ensue. Everyone has a valid point.

When discussing women's survival, prevention of rape is a major consideration to ensuring that survival. Not much different than men discussing how to avoid bear attacks or which weapons/tactics to use in bear attack scenarios. It's still a discussion of confronting something bigger and stronger and more predatory than you. Obviously a situation that requires some forethought to survive.

If the "group" consists of you and one child, I would say that preventing rape is tantamount to group survival; synonymous even. Hunting, shelter, water purification, etc. are all activities that are performed while keeping safety ever at the forefront of one's thoughts.

You ever seen deer in the wild? They graze languidly, frolic with other deer, meander from one wild edible treat to the next. But let a noise be heard and they instantly stop all other activities and flee. Women in sitx are likely to be considered "prey" by the predators. As many deer as I see draped across the hoods of people's 4x4's, I don't care to join their ranks as "trophy kill".

Originally posted by hildar
reply to post by ATS4dummies

 

I would like to see you live in the state of Maine with 3 kids in Diapers, no running water, No electric, no phone, and its 3 miles to the closest stream and you have to walk it to carry the water for baths for 5 each day for the family. You also have to cook outside over an open fire all summer. And cook on a wood stove all winter long. for 2 years. Believe me I did it and I am a woman. Women can live that way. And I also Built that house so dont say women cant build or do anything.

Hilda

Sorry, I'm late to the thread and I'm sure this is off-topic and most will take it as insulting but this post really caught me eye. While this is impressive as a party stunt, if it's true it seems really silly. Why didn't you build the house closer to water? You say family of 5 but 3 kids, so there must be a partner in there somewhere, what where they doing the whole time while you were doing all the work? And why would you have 3 kids in diapers in this situation? It seems irresponsible...

Has been far too long since I've wandered back into this thread. Lots of good information, and....... little sub-studies in the way people think. Should we consider this a microcosm of the world view? I wonder....

There's a link I've wandered to from time to time... don't be put off by the name: "End times report". It contains some of the most basic ideals and other more esoteric scenarios as well www.endtimesreport.com...

m'Bride and I recently went through at Cat 2 Hurricane Gustav; it allowed us to tweak our systems, and we had discussions about perspective as it relates to even more long-lasting situations and survival in general.

I think the accumulation of skills is something that we can practice and become proficient at NOW, before they are needed. It can be fun, and even though we live on a dinky island, we occasionally camp out, and that also helps us tweak the system. Most often the insightful changes come from my darlin', who is less versed in many of the classic survival skills, and yet she is not stuck in the paradigms of thinking.

I think one of the most important facets of survival skills is to learn how to treat your own injuries and other medical maladies. Right now, most of us have access to at least fair health care. I think it's one of the most pressing issues in a long-term situation. How can we ever learn enough to replace our current level of health care? Well, most of us can't, but what we CAN learn can raise us well above the level of our ancestors who didn't have anywhere near the informational accessibility that we do today.

I have taken classes in emergency suturing, and have had occasion to suture myself. No, I did not cause the wounds intentionally It was necessary, given the situation, and it was ugly work, but I learned.

I think we could all benefit from exploring natural medicines. Some things are "old wives tales", but even within this group, much of the knowledge has merit. Get to know your local plants and their potential uses. Learn how to make alcohol. Learn how to refine salt, if you're by the sea.

There is camping, which challenges our skills and minds, and that is training for some modes of survival, but what it really boils down to to me is learning how to fill the day in a way that augments our benficial existance. It's a difficult thing to accurately practice, given that most of us have jobs and bills and all the trappings of modern society.

Agriculture is going to make it or break it for some. If you have real and benficial skills, you will be a boon to your group, and it doesn't matter at that point your gender.

I've really had my eyes opened here today regarding how some folks view rape and other violent assaults. Rape and other assault cannot be tolerated in a group dynamic that wishes to survive. If the only difference between a group and other animals is the firepower and clothes, then there is a group that is destined for failure.

Thanks for this thread, OP>.... I'm so glad you didn't close it

[edit on 15-9-2008 by argentus]

reply to post by Chewlip


Just a thought, Chewlip.......... would you consider it beneficial to break down survival into a series of components?

For example, my emphasis has often been on water acquisition, filtering, storage.

What if you started sub-topics -- sort of a hierarchy of needs -- and we could all contribute our ideas.

Emergency shelter transisitioning into permanent shelter? That's one of the things about survivalism..... I sometimes think that many of us tend to want to view it as a short-term situation (how much X do I need to make it 3 months). What if it's not? What if it's merely a facet of an entire area loosing the ability to produce electricity for an extended period of time?

Must be late. That didn't make a lot of sense

Cheers

[edit on 14-9-2008 by argentus]

reply to post by argentus


Ahh..just got off work here in Olde Virginia.

Argentus,

I don't condone violence against women...nor rape . I also don't condone violence against men.

However....

I've really had my eyes opened here today regarding how some folks view rape and other violent assaults.

You do realize that statistically most violence is male on male yes?? Yet you hardly hear a whimper about it in social behavior studies or in the media. Only violence against women is discouraged. What does this tell you about the value of men in a social structure ..how about in situation X or TEOTWAWKI. Will there be more violence against men or against women? Hardly a whimper about this in any survival forums. Women or men's forums. Do men hold less value in any given social structure at any given time??

When you see in a given forum...that all some women have to talk about is their insecurities surrounding their sex and sexuality...it is a real let down...and I mean good times as well as bad.

It is just that to me there is more to survival in certain situations than sexuality. Yet you realize that for some it is the very best that they can do.
And don't one dare question this value system or you are uncivilized/unreasonable....even callous.

Continuing on...your hierarchy of needs is a interesting concept.

Also your question of how much X does one need for three months. Pretty reasonable. Sounds like you might have storage space for much goods.

Electricity would be a tough one as most peoples are so accustomed to it and they take it for granted that it will always be there. So many today have made no preparations for being without. This showed up quickly after Hurricane Isabel around here...the number of people who could prepare for kick off or tee off time but not to be without electricity.

I was asking someone about a laptop which is somehow reinforced or padded...for rugged field use. You know ..campers, the military etc. I was curious about this in a survival situation. Also some kind of solar system to keep the battery charged.

Hierarchy of survival needs...that sounds interesting. Can you elaborate on this concept? The breakdown??

Thanks,
Orangetom