So do you think as women, we need men to survive?

The thought of admitting that makes me cringe somewhat, as I have been quite independent and never relied on a man for anything.

I never did "girl scouts"...not even sure if they teach camping tricks or if all they do is train girls how to bake and sell cookies.

The fact is, unless sitx targets only men, women will suffer the hit harder than men. Our numbers will be lower, and with time, will continue to decrease, as many of us are not trained how to survive.

I agree with the posts, that the idea of being the sole woman hanging around with groups of men, is not really an idea i am comfortable with.

Do you think we stand a chance on our own? or do we have to just swallow our pride a bit and really do what a true survivalist does, aim to survive no matter the circumstance.

Yes you will need a protector, male of female especially if vulnerable and another see's it.
But other factors like the empathy any nearby men have for women and so on comes into play.
I was thinking about this yesterday.
If I was a bloke, living with a bunch of survivalist guys would be kinda cool for the first week or so. If we all got on then it would be cool for a while longer.
But as the days crept into weeks I'd start to prefer and miss having a womans company and touch about as well.
Now don't misunderstand I mean that in a nice way, not like in a rapacious and predatory evil mindset.
Women can be a good yin to mans yang.
But think about, no distractions aside from the day to day survival needs. Things will get a lot more basic. I think the bad dudes out there will take that and instantly revert to the old and dark ways of: If I see her first and can take her, I will.
Some guys I work with have this mindset. Its not 'out-there-obvious' but sometimes the clues and signs can present themselves.

So yeah unless you have a good family group to stick with you will need a protector in dark times like SITX

Orange tom makes some reasonable points, but the stupid reference she made reference to is pure hokum and plain wrong.

For those who don't know, Orangetom is a male. I can't speak for him, of course, but what occurs to me when I read his statements speaking of men being stupid is that he has probably been kind and helpful to some female (or a few) only to be taken advantage of. Haven't we all been taken advantage of by some "taker" of the opposite sex? (or same sex if you swing that way.)

It's my impression that he only wants to educate the male of the species to prevent them from experiencing that "used" feeling. He's a good guy that tries to keep (mainly) women from a faulty "give me , get me, take me, buy me" attitude so prevalent today and to make men aware of the game being played (usually against men).

If I totally missed the point, OT, feel free to correct any mis-statements I may have made.

Alrighty then.

Well, I read some valid points, but truthfully I lost interest in the response due to the inherent lack of respect for my education. You don't know me, nor do I know you. So please if you want to attack my "public education" and respond in a condescending tone, at least know what I do and not judge me based on one post you read.

Secondly, I can not talk for all women. I am just talking about myself...I know what I am capable of, what drives me, what I can live with, my tolerances etc. I am also aware that many women don't participate in this forum (ATS) nor do they really think about SitX. It is genderist of me to say that...sure. But it is a reality. Sure men and women alike for the most part do not think about SitX...I am sure if a poll was taken, you would find more males who have thought about SitX, and perhaps even prepared for it, more so than women. I don't believe that is sexist or due to me being narrow-minded. Show me evidence to the contrary, and I will gladly take back what I say. If what I say is true, then clearly there are more men who have the means to survive-both physically and intellectually, and thus being a female survivalist myself...would I NEED a man to survive? I know for a fact that it would be to my advantage to find a man...but that is just me, other women (and men) may disagree and feel they can wing it alone.

Greetings and felicitations ladies, With your indulgence I would like to make a comment.

In survivalism there is no place for gender, race, creed or colour, just people with an open mind and a desire to develop and use skills to survive whatever life may throw at us. I found as a troop commander that the girls may not have had the upper body strength of the guys, but they did have better mental facilties under duress. Many of the girls could use a rifle as well as any guy, they could live as miserably in a hedgrow OP as the guys, their organisational capabilities often surpassed the guys. But at the end of the day I picked people I deemed most suitable for the task or job I wanted doing, not by the location of their reproductive organs or how attractive they were. But I selected them cos they were the best to carry out that action. I have seen first hand over the years girls remaining much more focused on repetative tasks than most guys, Seriously this male female crap belongs in the history books. Disagree OK, I once had the chance to watch the Israelis at work , Thier at the time Glolani Brigade had load of women in its ranks, and by christ they easily matched the professionalism of the guys. If you think there is a need to differenciate between survivalists because of gender you are wrong or seriously misguided. Both genders make excellent survivalists. Its a willingness to think and act for yourself, not your gender or your social status or your schooling. Finally learn while you can their are NO experts in survivalism, just folks who have been around longer than others. I have been a survivalist since 1979 and every day i learn sometthing new and useful for my preps.

Yes one gender group can survive TEOTWAWKI, for a generation............. and sadly in the same large scale long term sitx all the hard earned trappings of equality for women will be wiped out, along with the more gentle of the menfolk. They both will have to face the fact that the neanderthals running on testosterone will dominate things for a long time , UNLESS we cooperate to ensure our mutual survival.

One point about men in general being stupid, What do you call women who stat in violent abusive relationships, or the millions of silicone enhanced mallrats who's life exists only to go shopping ? with respect my goldfish is smarter than them. No offence intended to survivalist ladies.

Respects to all.

[edit on 4-10-2008 by Northern Raider]

[edit on 4-10-2008 by Northern Raider]

I wish I could inject some Vitamin B6 and Oil of Evening Primrose into this thread

NR ducks behind the pile of ironing he is working through

Originally posted by SciDoc
Alrighty then.

Well, I read some valid points, but truthfully I lost interest in the response due to the inherent lack of respect for my education. You don't know me, nor do I know you. So please if you want to attack my "public education" and respond in a condescending tone, at least know what I do and not judge me based on one post you read.

Secondly, I can not talk for all women. I am just talking about myself...I know what I am capable of, what drives me, what I can live with, my tolerances etc. I am also aware that many women don't participate in this forum (ATS) nor do they really think about SitX. It is genderist of me to say that...sure. But it is a reality. Sure men and women alike for the most part do not think about SitX...I am sure if a poll was taken, you would find more males who have thought about SitX, and perhaps even prepared for it, more so than women. I don't believe that is sexist or due to me being narrow-minded. Show me evidence to the contrary, and I will gladly take back what I say. If what I say is true, then clearly there are more men who have the means to survive-both physically and intellectually, and thus being a female survivalist myself...would I NEED a man to survive? I know for a fact that it would be to my advantage to find a man...but that is just me, other women (and men) may disagree and feel they can wing it alone.

I wholeheartedly agree with what you say. It's not gernderist or sexist to say more men think about survival. It's been bread into our dna to protect our women and children for thousands of years. But that is not to say women can not survive on their own, it's just not a good idea to try. It's not a good idea in my opinion for anyone to try. That is why i started the thread "surviving the chaos" to open peoples view of the subject of grouping up. As far as needing men to survive, women only need us to propagate the species. If you can find a group of likeminded survivalist women then you have a good chance. Men are not neccesary in a group, and niether are women. My group on the other hand consist' of both.