Horror films Are they're hidden messages?

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ye but thngs like knife crime are innt record numbers no especially in London

Originally posted by billyjoinedat2k8
ye but thngs like knife crime are innt record numbers no especially in London

Yeah that is no doubt because you all ban guns. Lift the ban on guns and your knife crime rates will go way down. : )

reply to post by Sonya610


pesonaly i think both guns and knives on the streets should be banned.

And why do you blame only movies for violence , there are books , paintings , sculptures etc that depict violence , should all those be banned?

I dont see any relation between people that killing each other and violent arts and entertainment

Originally posted by dracodie
And why do you blame only movies for violence , there are books , paintings , sculptures etc that depict violence , should all those be banned?

I dont see any relation between people that killing each other and violent arts and entertainment

because the films show the violence and horor hapening in font of your eyes and its more efective rather than a book or a painting.

I'd like to see the statistics regarding the percentage of violent crime in relation to the increase of horror movies, while removing outside influence such as poverty or environmental stress.

Until then, I'm gonna watch my zombie movies and enjoy it when Jason crushes some camper's head with his bare hands.

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i think a book is alot more effective since it makes you imagine and picture it in your mind.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
I'd like to see the statistics regarding the percentage of violent crime in relation to the increase of horror movies, while removing outside influence such as poverty or environmental stress.

Until then, I'm gonna watch my zombie movies and enjoy it when Jason crushes some camper's head with his bare hands.

I would also like to see those statistics.I believe that most crime is caused by poverty and stress.The question lingers are people using violence to relieve their stress? or escape reality?I am sure there has to be a better way to relieve ones stress other than violence.Mankind already thinks of enough horrific things to do to one another.Do we need more ideas from the media?Please understand I am not judging others for watching horror movies.I used to do the very same thing.I just started thinking one day,Why am I enjoying watching others suffer?Do I hate mankind that much?Have I become that callous to the suffering of others?simulated or not

Originally posted by cecilmeyerDo we need more ideas from the media?

Well if we start banning horror films then next we should ban news shows and news websites and newspapers, or at least heavily censor them. In real life the news is full or horrendously violent stories (often worse than what is portrayed in the movies with regard to kids being beaten to death and killed etc...).

I actually like to think the OP just said "lets ban them" to get more activity in the thread. But regardless, I am not worried about it. It is an offensive idea but I don't see it being an immediate threat. Big brother, censorship, I am surprised to see that advocated on ATS.

reply to post by Sonya610


earlier in the thread i said think that horror films should be banned but my mind has changed i dont think they should be banned but i think the horror films nowadays should be toned down a bite.g. less blood and guts showing but i think the imagination part of those films should be brought back.

reply to post by billyjoinedat2k8


Well there many types of horror films, if you prefer spooky and subtle those can be found. I prefer the over the top movies with very eccentric killers (for me the killer is the most interesting part of the film, then artistic gore is next). One scene that comes to mind, the scissors to the throat scene in Mr. Brooks...very artistic, very well done, had to replay that scene about 5 times...wish more scenes like that were available. And in a typical, modern pc way the victim was a full grown male, the scissor weilder a much smaller female.

These days extremes in gore may be common, but they do have strong limits depictions of violence against kids, animals, and often grown women.

reply to post by billyjoinedat2k8


If you don't watch them anyway, why do you want them toned down?

I'm not a big horror film fan, but their place is taken in my life by conspiracy theories. One thing I would like to say is that sometimes you can find deep political satire in horror. The directors know that they aren't going to be taken that seriously, so they can get away with some great jabs at the PTB. One example that comes to mind is one of the recent "Dawn/Day of the Dead Movies".

Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by cecilmeyerDo we need more ideas from the media?

Well if we start banning horror films then next we should ban news shows and news websites and newspapers, or at least heavily censor them. In real life the news is full or horrendously violent stories (often worse than what is portrayed in the movies with regard to kids being beaten to death and killed etc...).

I actually like to think the OP just said "lets ban them" to get more activity in the thread. But regardless, I am not worried about it. It is an offensive idea but I don't see it being an immediate threat. Big brother, censorship, I am surprised to see that advocated on ATS.

I am all for ARTISTIC freedom.The question is what is art.Is art what society says is art?Or is art the expression of what is good and honorable?Is child porn art?Snuff films?Is the KKK a good organization?Big Brother?Can you not have a good big brother or a bad big brother?Governments are not always evil,rules are not always bad.The questions that need to be asked are, Do our freedoms deprive others of theirs?Do our freedoms bring harm to others?Is your freedom worth the sufferering of others?When does the freedom to do whatever you wish become tyranny to another?

Originally posted by cecilmeyerIs child porn art?Snuff films?Is the KKK a good organization?Big Brother?Can you not have a good big brother or a bad big brother?

You cannot BEGIN to compare child porn to horror films. Child porn is made by victimizing real children that cannot give consent. To my knowedge there are NO known snuff films in the U.S. (i.e. snuff film being defined as a movie made for distribution and profit, films made of violent crimes and NOT intended for distribution don't count).

Horror actors are willing, paid, and down right thrilled to be a part of those films.

The ideas shared by the KKK, or for that matter Black Panthers, Nation of Islam etc...fall into the political realm and have nothing to do with horror films. Dangerous? Hmmm...Zebra killings?

Originally posted by enjoies05
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If you don't watch them anyway, why do you want them toned down?

my whole family watches horror films and ive seen them disturbes for days on end.

and alot of my friends watch them and they talk about the most goryiest of scenes with a smile on their faces and it freaks me out.

One aspect of film making that's interesting is the fact that the writer and\or director may be totally transferring their desires and fantasies onto the film.
You never know, unless it's an obvious case like "Jeepers Creepers", where the writer and director, Victor Salva. is a convicted child molester. The film features kids being terrorized and killed by a demon. They're helpless. An obvious projection of that sick freak's fantasies.
Here's what's really sick: After the film made $60 million, producers couldn't wait to finance the pervert's sequel movie, which quickly grossed almost $40 million.
The rumor was that producers were referring to Salva as "Hollywoods's favorite child molestor."

Originally posted by billyjoinedat2k8and alot of my friends watch them and they talk about the most goryiest of scenes with a smile on their faces and it freaks me out.

Yeah I am one of those people. The inappropriate laughter can freak people out, fortunately I am female so I seem less threatening. Sadly I have not even seen Rob Zombies Halloween yet, because I want to watch it as a date film and have not been dating for a while. Sick? Yup.

BTW...I have never been arrested, never committed a violent crime (well or any crime other than speeding) so maybe you are freaked out by the wrong people and you are unaware of the real threats in our society.

Maybe they're smiling to hide something else? Smiles and laughter can coverup a lot.

As for Hostel, I dont think its just pointless gore and brutality! It actually does have a story! Who's to say this kind of thing doesnt go on in the world? Think of all the people that go missing around the world every day! Who's to say there isnt a place like this where sick and twisted people go to do this kind of thing! Thats what freaked me out most about the film and made it such a good film! I think that story line is a lot more realistic than a fair few other horror films!

And if horror movies didnt exist then something else would take its place. Its human nature to find this kind of thing an entertainment of some sort. And you can date that back to god knows when! Cesar comes to mind and the things people would find entertaining back then. Or spanish bull fighting which also dates back hundreds of years!

people should play the silent hill videogames series , those are alot better than most horror movies.