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Horror films Are they're hidden messages?

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posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 06:57 AM
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"A Clockwork Orange."

And the movie itself contradicts the theory that watching repeated violence for many, many, many hours a day, (also being drugged with some secret cocktail). Can Actually make one disgusted whenever they see violence, or are put in a confrontational situation.

VERY poignant movie, but definitely not for those with a weak stomach.

But if you have the stomach, and mental attitude to see that the violence and what have you shown on the screen is all for a purpose of a great, great plot. It's a movie no horror film love, heck a film no movie lover should ever miss.

I would also reccommend American Psycho, just for the amazing acting performance put in by Christian Bale.

But I wouldn't suggest showing these movies particularly A clockwork Orange (due to the rape scenes and sexual scenes) to any kids under the age of 16. At least....

I saw it at 13 I think, but now being a parent, I don't think kids should be watching horror movies so young, and it the sheer amount of them, i don't know I find it troubling to watch the Saw movies with my 12 year old and 10 year old nephews (boys). Especially the 10 year old. Even the "Scary movie" spoofs they watch over and over, are very profane, and distrurbing.

It's a good thing horror films, the more popular ones are so cheesy and watered down. Then aren't the mindF@#$ that the oldies were like Clockwork Orange, or Rosemary's Baby, or the Exorcists, or Phantasm.

My 12 year old nephew, even 10 year old nephew could watch Saw till the cows come home(not that I approve), but make them watch ANY of the above four, they'd piss thier pants.

I think horror films have somehow gotten to targetting younger kids then when i was a 10-12 year old in the mid to laye 80's.

Or it's just that they are easy to "get" thanks to the internet and what have you. It's a good thing they are all watered down now , and it's just imagery gore, not the assault on the mind like the old classics, where you couldn't sleep for nights. No overblown gore needed, just a great plot, great music, and as mentioned already some projectile vomiting.




posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 07:10 AM
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Originally posted by Lee_K

But watching a film or playing a game is like a false world because I know that its just a film/game. So in the back of my head I know its just not real... Its more like a "what if this was to happen" that keeps me interested.



Videogames are different - there is a level of surreality within that context which denies one the ability to consider it real.

When was the last time you saw a BFG (pardon the profanity circumvention) in real life, for example?

However, with others forms of media, such as war films or documentaries to do with killers (serial killers, specifically) the gore and blood you see in those is based off real life events, and as such should not be discounted as fiction.

So how should we look at such things?

Simple; we should reject the cause of it.

Of course, some people do not even try to understand the cause, and revel in the butchery they see because they see the fact that it is based off reality as a valid reason to do so.

A lot of people in this world are always willing to overlook something in order to experience physical gratification if they think they can get away with it, and i have a nasty feeling that the glorification of sex, violence and drugs in films is partly to blame for this.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 07:12 AM
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I personally love horror movies, well a good portion of them. I really enjoy the films with a lot of blood and gore (I smile when someone in a film gets their throat in a gratuitous way). If that makes me a sick man, well so be it. I hate the news and am turned off entirely by real violence. I too don't kill spiders and have never been in any type of physical confrontation (outside of my bastard brother).

I can see why people would turn to violent films and video games as a way to explain violence but they are simple scape goats. I would be hard pressed to believe that there is nothing more than a very small percentage of people (very impressionable people) who would go so far as to try and re-enact some of the witnessed brutalities.

I also have made a few horror films and had a great time doing it. I also used a lot of gore in it.

Nice discussion.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by Sonya610
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So true about Gein. Oddly, I rented a movie about Ed Gein and of course was expecting some really freaky stuff, but instead they left so much stuff out the movie was actually boring. It really takes some effort to make a boring film about that guy.



That's interesting because I have that film, the one about John Wayne Gayce and Ted Bundy. I don't think they were meant to be scary, I think they were meant to be informative. Almost like a full length America's Most Wanted reenactment.

Gein himself, although a very twisted individual, didn't kill that many people. He killed his brother, a female bartender (who he strung up and drained like a pig) and ate, skinned and ate and a woman who worked at a hardware store. He ate some of her with a tin of beans. He used to do a little waltz in the moonlight wearing his skin made from the flesh of these portly women.

Before all of that though, he used to dig up bodies and decorate his home with rotting corpses. He'd even have the neighborhood children over to play cards


But yeah, he never watched horror movies and look how well he turned out.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 08:29 AM
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I understand horror films with a plot like aliens (they had to survive and get away from the alien)

But noways we have movies like hostel where it is just mindless pointless killings that are so sick and twisted im amazed human minds think that way and find it entertaining.

i watched the first part of hostel was like a soft core porno but when the guy started cutting the tendetns i turned it off and never looked at the title again at the video store.
(aka pirate bay)



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 08:35 AM
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ye i think horror movies nowadays opposed to in the 20th century are all about making it as blody and gory as posible

i personally dont like any horror film at all but everyone else seems to but they dont like the horror films of today they like they horror films of the 90s, 80s, and the 70s becaue it neva rely showed the gore it left you guessing how horrible it was.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 08:45 AM
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A Clockwork Orange and American Psycho two of my favorits movies ever.
I loved the ending of American Psycho many people didnt liked the movie bcause they didnt understanded the ending.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by billyjoinedat2k8
i've wanted to post this for a long time now but i never really got round to it until now obviously but i've been thinking about this a lot lately about horror films like scream and the rest and i think that theres just no need for them to be honest

1. because they promote death
2. it makes sick people out there do the things they do
3. its the cause i think of a lot of crime e.g. knife crime which is really now high in england

and i was talking to one of my friends a while ago and he just rented a horrow film the day before and he was telling me about how someones throat got slit and theyre was blood everywhere and he had a smile on his face and it kinda freaked me out to be honest.

oh and in case anyone hasnt noticed im not exacly a fan of horror films mainly because im not a fan of people dying a horrible death and then watching it i personally think its terrifying and i think the world would be a beter place without horror films.

plz tell me what you think whether you like the horror films or not.

thank you for reading my post.

[edit on 4/20/2008 by billyjoinedat2k8]
You are absolutely correct in your observations.The flaw you have my friend is that you still have humanity left in you.I have read many replies to your post and can come to no other conclusion.I believe as yourself,When a person gets ENTERTAINED when something incredibly cruel is being potrayed to another human or animal,real or not,What does that say about such a person?Many people have said they have watched horror movies all their lives without any affect,Really?I think the people that enjoy seeing pain and suffering inflicted upon others need to be honest with themselves and admit they have at least an empathy problem.Do not let other people lead you to believe there is something wrong with you.The very truth is, it is them.I read another post on here not too long ago.It was how a person said they would kill another person to take their vehicle or whatever to make sure their family survived.I thought what kind of world do we live in when we are willing to kill one another to survive, verses join together as brothers and sisters of the human race to help one another? War,poverty ,famine, all manmade.There is plenty for all if we are willing to work together.Maybe,just maybe someday it will be that way.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 08:47 AM
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I don't think anyone is saying that they enjoy watching people die. They just said they like watching simulations of people dying in conjunction with a good story and decent cinematography. Its no different than someone reading a book in which characters die, or watching a Shakespearean play.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by Nola213It's a good thing horror films, the more popular ones are so cheesy and watered down. Then aren't the mindF@#$ that the oldies were like Clockwork Orange, or Rosemary's Baby, or the Exorcists, or Phantasm.


Clockwork Orange was a horror film?

Now see I never got why people freaked out so much over the Exorcist, even less so Rosemary's Baby. I saw both when I was pretty young and did not find either to be all that scary. I am sure they are still making movies along that theme but they are not becoming blockbusters (plus at the time those movies came out they probably tapped into subconscious issues of the populace).

And in fact modern horror films (U.S. made, even the MOST graphic like Devils Rejects, Hostel 2, etc...) are pc on one level. Look back at the old films from the 60's and 70's, the image of the beautiful woman being killed was EXTREMELY popular. Even if they were not being killed they often wimpered and ran away a lot, but they were portrayed as sexy and their fear was shown as sexy (yes I know Hitchcock had a thing for beautiful blondes in danger).

Now that can create a fetish. The old detective mags from the 50's, showing scantily clad women tied up with a dark male looming over them spawned a LOT of kinks for that. Keep in mind at that time boys had a hard time finding images of sexy women any kind and those were often the only thing they could get their hands on.

These days while movies may be extremely graphic if you pay attention they are quite careful to "cut away" or use tight facial shots to avoid showing women being killed in a graphic way. The really hard core violence is saved for the male victims. The only exception is sometimes female on female violence, they are often willing to show body shots and get into more graphic scenes if its f/f.

If people are worried about young minds being twisted, I do predict that a lot of young male minds will be a be affected by modern horror films, and they will have a real thing for the "warrior females" that appear in so many modern horror films and tv shows.


[edit on 4-7-2008 by Sonya610]



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 08:50 AM
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Watch American psycho and tell me if you condemned what the character does , but pay attention to the end.

"I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature. "
Adolf Hitler

[edit on 4-7-2008 by dracodie]



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by cecilmeyer I read another post on here not too long ago.It was how a person said they would kill another person to take their vehicle or whatever to make sure their family survived.I thought what kind of world do we live in when we are willing to kill one another to survive, verses join together as brothers and sisters of the human race to help one another? War,poverty ,famine, all manmade.There is plenty for all if we are willing to work together.Maybe,just maybe someday it will be that way.

some of my friends have said that they too would kill to survive i think most people would to be honest but i dont think i would i would rather die than kill another human being i think its completeley wrong

verses join together as brothers and sisters of the human race to help one another? War,poverty ,famine, all manmade.There is plenty for all if we are willing to work together.Maybe,just maybe someday it will be that way.
ye if we joined together rather than killed each other i tink the human race would be far better off.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by dracodie
Watch American psycho and tell me if you condemned what the character does , but pay attention to the end.


Never seen it (I cannot watch animal violence). But I would say one thing that some of the latest horror films has done is make the killers far more amusing than in the past. Instead of portraying them as one dimensional characters, the better films give them personalities, humor, and more depth.

I cried at the end of Devils Rejects because I had gotten so attached to the main characters. I love the trend of focusing on the killers in some modern horror flicks. The killers are far more interesting than the victims.

Also, any horror fans that have not discovered it, the ShowTime series Masters of Horror is pretty good (some are graphic and very dark, some are very twisted and funny).



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by dracodie
Watch American psycho and tell me if you condemned what the character does , but pay attention to the end.


Never seen it (I cannot watch animal violence).


OK, now I'm lost. I mean prostitutes aren't always the nicest people, but they're hardly animals.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
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I don't think anyone is saying that they enjoy watching people die. They just said they like watching simulations of people dying in conjunction with a good story and decent cinematography. Its no different than someone reading a book in which characters die, or watching a Shakespearean play.
They like simulations of people dying?Again I challenge people to question why they would LIKE watching someone die,simulated or not.I understand death is a part of life.Dying of old age or sickness is something that sadly is unavoidable,being murdered is not.Can we not be entertained without senseless violence?Another question.Why is is acceptable to show a woman being tortured or raped on film but frontal nudity a taboo?Speaking as a male,I have never been traumatized at the sight of a nude woman but have been made angry at seeing a woman brutilized.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420OK, now I'm lost. I mean prostitutes aren't always the nicest people, but they're hardly animals.


I heard the book includes the torture of a dog. I was told the movie has the same scene, that is why I never watched it.

You sure there is no animal violence? If that is the case I will rent it asap.

Cecilmeyer did you read my post above? It talks about violence against women in MODERN movies. It has improved dramatically (and I know cause i watch a lot of these movies).

[edit on 4-7-2008 by Sonya610]



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by cecilmeyer
Can we not be entertained without senseless violence?


Sure can. I loved Caddyshack. National Lampoons Vacation was great. And sometimes I'm in the mood for a real tear jerker, like Tromeo and Juliet. Truth is, if it's not your taste, it's not your taste. I can't defend my love of horror movies any more than I can defend my hatred of chocolate.


Another question.Why is is acceptable to show a woman being tortured or raped on film but frontal nudity a taboo?Speaking as a male,I have never been traumatized at the sight of a nude woman but have been made angry at seeing a woman brutilized.


You got me killer, I have no idea. I always thought it was disgusting that it was ok to show live footage of a city being bombed on the 6 o'clock news, but someone couldn't say 's#!+' without being bleeped and fined.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 09:30 AM
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No animal violence. There are scenes from the book (including the rat and cheese scene) that would in no way make it to the screen. The book is certainly much more graphic, but the movie is something to watch.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by billyjoinedat2k8

2. it makes sick people out there do the things they do
3. its the cause i think of a lot of crime e.g. knife crime which is really now high in england



These two points are invalid because:

1. Sick people have been doing the things theyve been doing since before films existed.
2. Above.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420There are scenes from the book (including the rat and cheese scene) that would in no way make it to the screen.


Haha...well I am guessing the rat and cheese scene probably did NOT torture rats. I don't mind depictions of animals torturing people. Aleister Crowly wrote about a rat and cheese thing...melted cheese, woman, etc... But it was a willing woman and was not fatal (unless infection got her).



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