Surviving the chaos

Everyone keeps talking about being prepared, and having all their gear ready, or learning how to grow food, or what items to stock up on, or what they are going to or have to do to survive when TSHTF. I think people are missing the big picture. Don't try to go it alone, there is strength in numbers. Everyone needs to find people of like mind in our home areas and plan your escape and where you will go. Find people you can trust, plan your escape routes if you live in cities, and practice them. Work together on making lists of neccesary items and gear. For those who have no wilderness survival skills, have the people in your groups who do teach you

So many people are viewing this thread but no one has any comments to add?

reply to post by Anuubis
That is a good idea. Hopefully sporting good stores will use survival classes to market products otherwise it will not be easy for people to find teams to join.

Anytime a group of people join together for the purpose of survival they will come to the attention of the government. If informants are sent into groups members could be subjected to trumped up charges. The government is already trying to persuade ministers to tell their congregations to give up guns and go to fema camps.


People even if they do not have a group of compatriots should practice alternate escapes. Those who do have freinds who will help them should also be prepared to go alone who knows what will happen in a real catastrophe.

reply to post by eradown
I'm not saying form camps like the guys in montana, or compounds like David Coresh had in Waco, Tx. I'm just saying find people and plan stuff out. Even if all you do is talk on the phone or here on ATS.

I think its sound advice. Most people that are preparing dont want to discuss it with anyone out of paranoia. Fear of people looting or taking what theyve stockpiled would be one reason. My uncle has a compound about an hour from where im at now. only about 15 people know where its at and what its used for.

reply to post by SHNIPE
You need to get to know people before you discuss anything with them. Make absolute sure you can trust them. Also make sure you teach ALL your family members how to handle weapons incase your not home when TSHTF and someone tries to get into your house. My wife and three kids all know how to shoot and load my rifles and pistol. I feel sorry for anyone who is stupid enough to try getting in my house
And what i was meaning was find people here on this site.

[edit on 1-7-2008 by Anuubis]

I'd like to not have to go it alone but I don't see any alternative. Plenty of people on ATS in my area but no one that seems interested in forming a "group". I'm pretty well prepared for most eventualities/possible scenarios; unfortunately, I have to sleep sometime.

Being a single parent significantly reduces the amount of free time available for meet-n-greet and the exorbitant price of travel makes get-togethers a hardship. Any suggestions?

reply to post by whitewave
You could try posting a new thread titled "Survival group in oklahoma" or something like that. That might be a good start. Just let me know and i'll give you any input i can in it. And maybe we can get peoples attention about it here.
Or you could move to north idaho. I have a very secure area here.

[edit on 1-7-2008 by Anuubis]

its very hard to find people locally ... its hard to find people at all that think this way.

reply to post by Morrigan
Like i told whitewave, post a new thread and if people in your area are members and are worried about going it alone then hopefully they're smart enough to talk to you and get things started. Just to be safe don't tell anyone what your address is until your sure you can trust them

reply to post by Morrigan
Oh and i like your signature, Thats funny

Hunker down and keep the lid tight for the first 3 months and then you will be fine. The the crazy and unprepared kill themselves off.

As demonstrated on this board, some people will SHOOT you the moment you have a resource that they can take. Then another person will come along and EAT you!

Prepare to keep out of sight for a while and you stand a better chance of living.

reply to post by bismarcksea
And those are the reasons i say form groups! there is strength in numbers.

Originally posted by bismarcksea
Hunker down and keep the lid tight for the first 3 months and then you will be fine. The the crazy and unprepared kill themselves off.

As demonstrated on this board, some people will SHOOT you the moment you have a resource that they can take. Then another person will come along and EAT you!

Prepare to keep out of sight for a while and you stand a better chance of living.

Man, I'm gonna AMEN Brother this one!

Hide like the rabbit in the hole and let the idiots sort themselves out.

A few Points...

1. Getting out of the cities...... Guess What.... If your not already GONE, you wont be able to get out. think 5 o clock traffic jams times 30.

Stuck on the freeway or even a side street is NOT what I have in mind.
I'll hunker down at home first, unless I have some advance warning to get the heck out like NOW... before school lets out..

2. Finding someone else......
A lot of people who do this have done it for YEARS, and have spent considerable TIME and Money to get what they have in knowledge and equipment.
Not many people have that to "ADD to the Group".
Not many people will drop a Grand on food without blinking, until its too late to act.
No One wants to spend 250.00 for a 55 gallon drum of gasoline to store.

Unless you find someone who you already know who has lots of bucks to drop immediately, your on your own Friend O.

If you do find someone to drop some bucks, do you know how many HOURS it takes to aquire the supplies necessary, when you KNOW what your doing and where to go? Sorry I have a day job, and I cant shop for other people in "Panic Mode". Got to keep on workin'.

Also, who's the boss?

I'm really good at being quiet and sneaky, and effecient and conservative.

The last thing I want is some loudmouth that wont shut up, and is eating all the Oreo's, and running batteries down with an MP 3 player.

No thanks I'd rather have a MULE.

enough for now... dont think I have not thought this through for years...


Blitzkreigen












[edit on 1-7-2008 by Blitzkreigen]

Weird Double Post Computer Glitch! Sorry !

See what happens when you let others in... lol

Blitzkreigen

Done ranting...for now

[edit on 1-7-2008 by Blitzkreigen]

reply to post by Blitzkreigen
Everything should come down to a vote unless someone is selected as leader. Ration supplies. Use peoples skills to the groups advantage. If you are as good as you say, and i'm not saying you aren't, then you would make a good sniper when needed, and would be good for gathering intel. Remember it's a group thing, use all strengths to improve survival.

reply to post by Anuubis


Thank you, but actually my speciality is Water Treatment and CBR defense. I'm a good shot too, but I'm more valuable for WATER, Medical and long term planning for longevity.

But Ok, here is the deal e' o'...

A VOTE ? I dont think so...

Decisions that have to be made have to be made quickly and accurately with a knowledge base to draw upon.

I dont have the time to explain my position and the reasons for doing something that someone else might not like, understand or even grasp.

A lifetime of experience overrides someone 's vote... sorry, thats just the way it is.

There are so many techniques, tricks and methods to accomplish a goal that have been thought out, discussed, planned, re- planned and finalized over YEARS of study. Then Changed again when new information becomes available.

Even YEARS later, I'm improving and changing tactics and methods, that I simply cant explain to someone in a day, and expect them to "GET IT", go with it and do it correctly. Especially if they never even thought about it before, and are still shocked that the internet is down, and people are trying to kill them for "no reason ". I cant handle the Psychological stresses that THEY will be going through, and its not going to be a walk in the park for me either, but I know I can get past that when I have to.
I'm not babysitting , holding hands or lending a shoulder to cry on, unless its family.

Rationing food and water goes without saying. Also rationing batteries, toilet paper, soap, personal and Medical supplies. I am curently TRAINING myself to eat ONCE a day NOW. I'm also TRAINING myself to endure no Air Conditioner, Working outside for HOURS in the HEAT, and watching my surroundings with the 1000 yard stare. People just are not going to GET THAT, until its really too late, and they are forced to do it or die.

Light discipline, noise discipline, smoke and smell discipline. Even cooking with a minimum amount of fuel, and being effecient is a skill that took a long time to aquire. Movement and concealment I've worked on for over 20 Years... I dont need anyone trying to follow my lead, unless they have been trained.

Sorry, no time for a vote, have to MOVE on it.

I really dont think that anyone will GET IT quick enough to do what it takes to MAKE IT, unless they have already figured it out on their own, over YEARS of study.

Potential 'Decontamination' is one immediate example..... I dont have the time in a Decontamination situation to explain why someone has to strip naked, be scrubbed down ( with the proper detergents and sanitizers), possibly have their hair cut off, rinsed in COLD water, checked for remaining contamination, and possibly have to do it all again, and then be handed a Hospital Gown to wear because their clothes are ruined.

It just HAS to be done, immediately and correctly, with no time for discussion, voting or hym hawing around.

There goes a LARGE portion of Survival Water, runoff has to be contained, the proper decontaminants have to be used and the proper measuring, recording and detection has to be preformed. No time to Explain it, no time to Vote on it, and no patience for arguing about it.

Thats just one example. I can think of 50 more immediately.



With that said, let me specify that I WOULD accept a Medical Doctor into a Group, a TRAINED Soldier, EMT, Veterinarian, Surgeon or Police Officer.
Let me add to that a Water Treatment Specialist, Pharmacist, Food Warehouse Manager, Sporting Goods Store Manager, or alternative fuel/power/ solar specialist.

These people are TRAINED and do this daily, and we would not have an issue. They would ADD to the group, just by their past experience.

I would have no use for a Lawyer, Stock broker, Real Estate Agent, Investor, or Office worker UNLESS they had previous Military experience, Medical Practice or even Nursing School. ( Or other skill that I cant think of right now )

I know a few Millionaires personally.... If they wanted to get in on the deal, they would have to fork up 10 Grand or so immediately, just to get them the gear that they need, food and fuel. Also, I would have to invest ALL DAY for WEEKS to get them set up, with money being no object.

Of course I cant do that for "nothing", and let my JOB slide for someone else. My benefit MIGHT be more food and fuel, but in all honesty, I'd rather be Paid and buy my own while shopping for them.

So to close..... Doctors, EMT's, Soldiers, Cops, Animal Vets, pharmacists, perhaps some Microbiologists, or Botany experts couold ADD to a group...

Someone that works at Kinko's, or Pizza Hut...... well... dead weight.

I know this sounds Harsh, but What am I missing?

YES, I have to sleep sometime... and a few more 'good shots', eyes and ears next to me would be great, but until I find someone with those skills already in tow, I make a MUCH smaller target on my own and with my family.

I really wish it was differant, but it wont be until its all too late..... then the Survivors will band together, knowing whats up because they have had to SURVIVE IT personally.

I'm still open to further suggestions though.... Please point them out.

Anyone who has these skills probably feels the exact same way about others who have no clue.

I didnt buy the 22 inch rims, I didnt put hydraulics in my truck, I dont have a boomin' Stereo, a DVD collection, I dont go out to nice restaraunts, I drive a 1994 vehicle. I buy water purifiers instead of going to concerts. etc... etc.. etc...

Best Regards,

Blitzkreigen




[edit on 3-7-2008 by Blitzkreigen]

There are already some of us that regularly use this forum that have contacted each other outside of the said forum.

I am working on a survival related project at the moment which I shall reveal when it is ready for launch.

I would say, forming groups should be a bit like dating. Take it slow, let the relationship mature at a natural pace. Trust comes with knowing the other members of the group, but its going to take time.

On the subject of groups, it may be more beneficial to have 'group contacts' that are outside of your living area. That way you have less eggs in the same basket.

Blizkreigen, I understand where you are coming from in regard to 'members' of your group should you have one. I too would tend to think down the same lines as yourself - especially in forming the 'core' of a group. Once the fundementals are covered, you could loosen the criteria just so you have more numbers ...... many hands make light work.

Originally posted by Wotan

snipped for brevity..

Blizkreigen, I understand where you are coming from in regard to 'members' of your group should you have one. I too would tend to think down the same lines as yourself - especially in forming the 'core' of a group. Once the fundementals are covered, you could loosen the criteria just so you have more numbers ...... many hands make light work.

That concept eludes me presently....

A squad of Marines and a few Jed Clampitts would do the trick just fine right now. I understand THAT concept well.

I already know a few guys who fit that bill, and they wake up 'early' but Time is ticking. Alarm is about ready to go off. Then its time to get to work.

I have a feeling the "Hands" will be available 'o pleanty' when it comes to work for say.... food... or even just water... ?? I see lots of normal people getting screwed and having no way to take care of themselves.

Lots and lots of people. Hopeless and Helpless.

I do see this though.... People ARE waking up, more so than ever ( 1982- present ).

A LOT of people planted GARDENS this year. Thats a serious NATIONAL step. They are stating to "Get It", and its no longer " paranoia ", its daily reality. ($ Food and Gas, Instability, War etc... )

Unfortunately, I dont see the time frame allowing much more preperation to be done by the "layperson", making for a bad scenario if a lot of people know through "beer talk" about a "Group with Supplies".

Even if the Layperson started right now, and got serious they could get a year together in food at least, but thats only a small percentage of what it takes, with dedication to even do that.

I know I could trust the Marines.... a squad would do. I know they would'nt mess with anyone, but would sure stop someone else messin' with them.

Maybe your already there... I have no idea.

I'm more concerned about the MASSES going Bonkers, and I think a small "little rabbit in a hole" can last through the winter to be able to make the best of spring.

I see communities banding together for mutual aid and protection, starting with next door neighbors for the first few months, then down the road a bit over the hill to the next town after 6 months to a year, and so on.

I think the Cities are going to implode with Gang Violence, Escape from New York, and head out to the country. Its not gonna be nice. How long will it take... Probably not long at all.

That all we will be able to do, and getting through that first year is the kicker...

Alone by all rights of HELP from 'Uncle'.

Maybe the UN will help. Maybe the Chineese... who knows.

Then get ready to keep what you got, or what you have growing.

I think A few like Minded Squads of Marines may show up in that time, or their likeness.

Its just that First year really... all bets are off for 365 days.

Nature will sort a lot of things out in that time.

Hopefully most of the violence will be Gang on Gang till the 7-11's and Quickie Marts dry up.

Yep a Squad of Marines and a checkbook.

Best Regards,

Blitzkreigen

How long does it take for a serious person to get a year's worth of food ready? It seems this situation you speak of blitz is imminent. I'm on the fence, about the whole situation x.