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Originally posted by Anuubis
reply to post by Anti-Tyrant
Yes but with no serious military backing they aren't going to be able to do anything.
Originally posted by crgintx
reply to post by Blitzkreigen
Disaster recovery in any terms you want to put means all hands will be necessary for the speediest recovery possible. In a large clean up usually without much help from the gov't will mean alot of folks will pitch in to forage for food stuff initially, then resources to grow your own food. You may not have a gov't per se but you will have probably a large group of cooperative tribes. Bottom line survival means keeping enough clean water, calories and good air in your body. Beyond that everything else is gravy. Even the hardest working specialist like doctors or your biofuel guy will need alot help making enough to keep up with the needs of just a few dozens of people. Restoring electrical power generation is vital to preserving food and perishable medication.
Yes I agree AFTER a Sit-X all this needs to happen. I do see neighbors forming together for food and security, then the town, then the next town... etc...
All this is AFTER the fact, as no one will have any other choice, or can focus on 22 inch rims, and the new CD or DVD that just came out.
Funny how thirst and hunger will motivate someone, after the fact.
I dont see a Problem "putting it all back" aftet the fact, its just Time that it takes to do it, and staying fed and watered ( And ALIVE ) in between.
Restarting the Electric grid.... well, that would be great. I'm not counting on that, but It would be Great!
BEFORE HAND.... it might get easier to find 'qualified, motivated people" as things get tougher and scarier for everyone in daily life.
But.... I personally have not been able to find anyone willing to make that effort in current times, and that wants to contribute to the work and labor or financial requirements for setting up a "Survival Plan". I can count them all on ONE Hand since the 1980's
I have a feeling people ARE waking up though, NOW.
Especially with the New Salmonella Scare in Tomatoes, Onions, Cilantro, etc...
When people get HIT where they EAT, they immediately wake up.
A LOT of Gardens went in this year, and I think thats the Most Positive thing I have seen in almost 30 years.
The Second Most Positive is that People are Starting to OPENLY discuss these issues without fear of ridicule.
NOLA after Katrina is a perfect example of how the gov't is totally unprepared for any disaster of that size much less a nation wide chaos. Iraq is an example that high tech is virtually useless in controlling a hostile civilian population of more then say 10x times the military force. Not even the UN could muster and supply a military force of 30 million. Plus the fact most nations wouldn't send their troops to the US. As I heard from one German Army officer: "We learned our lessons from fighting against the Americans in 3 different wars. Americans have a lot of guns and know how to use them. Sending troops to the US to 'pacify the people' would be a suicide mission.
I hope your right about other countries/ UN "not wanting" to send in troops.
I also cant see 12 gauge shotguns and 9 mm pistols havigng an 'effect' against air power, mechanized armor, APC's, .50 cal's, 20mm grenade Launchers, TOWS, Dragons, Hellfires, FLIR, Thermogrophy, SAT Comm, FOOD and WATER Logistic supplies etc...
Heck they will just back off and call in a Missile or Tank.
I KNOW that "Hi TEK" Works against a small group with sidearms. YOU TUBE "Iraq and FLIR" and enjoy the afternoon watching...
I also see your point about Americans having a LOT of Guns and knowing how to use them. ( And Willing to do so for their Freedom )
All I can hope is that we will become like "Little drops of Mercury" scattered about the Country, that have the Ability to "come together in a large mass" when the tables start to turn. Lets hope the US Military Steps up as well, ( Or factions therof ) and serves its COUNTRY and People.
I know on MY Street, if we all got together, it would be pretty impressive with just numbers of Patriots and only small arms. All Genders and All Ages.
Its just all gonna be AFTER the Fact from my Personal experience in looking for years for motivated folks.
Getting through that first "time frame" unorganized and hungry is the real trial. Who will be Left?
I'll keep looking though now, just to do all I can do.
Best Regards,
Blitzkreigen
Exactly! There are approximately 70 million gun owners in the U.S. All the nations that oppose us can not begin to muster that kind of force.
Originally posted by crgintx
reply to post by Blitzkreigen
Disaster recovery in any terms you want to put means all hands will be necessary for the speediest recovery possible. In a large clean up usually without much help from the gov't will mean alot of folks will pitch in to forage for food stuff initially, then resources to grow your own food. You may not have a gov't per se but you will have probably a large group of cooperative tribes. Bottom line survival means keeping enough clean water, calories and good air in your body. Beyond that everything else is gravy. Even the hardest working specialist like doctors or your biofuel guy will need alot help making enough to keep up with the needs of just a few dozens of people. Restoring electrical power generation is vital to preserving food and perishable medication.
NOLA after Katrina is a perfect example of how the gov't is totally unprepared for any disaster of that size much less a nation wide chaos. Iraq is an example that high tech is virtually useless in controlling a hostile civilian population of more then say 10x times the military force. Not even the UN could muster and supply a military force of 30 million. Plus the fact most nations wouldn't send their troops to the US. As I heard from one German Army officer: "We learned our lessons from fighting against the Americans in 3 different wars. Americans have a lot of guns and know how to use them. Sending troops to the US to 'pacify the people' would be a suicide mission.
Exactly! There are approximately 70 million gun owners in the U.S. All the nations that oppose us can not begin to muster that kind of force.
Originally posted by Anuubis
Originally posted by Morrigan
its very hard to find people locally ... its hard to find people at all that think this way.
Originally posted by Blitzkreigen
Man. I really like you, but 70 Million Gun Owners.... and that means what?
Ok, Some have 'Full Auto's' Some Have '50 Cals'...
Not Many have a LAWS ROCKET, TOW, or DRAGON.
I Bet only a Handful have acess to a Helicopter thats NOT even ARMED.
Out of that 70 Million... Half are going to 'cave in' immediately.
The other 35 Million are not Organized, and can be dealt with on a Military Level, one small group at a time, from 11 miles out.
Its GREAT to KNOW that there are 70 Million Gun Owners in America.
Mostly only small arms.
I still just dont see small arms having an effect on a Military... until you start to get some of THEIR STUFF, and then Use it wisely.
Anyway, I enjoy this thread.... keep it going...
Blitzkreigen
Originally posted by Anuubis
What did everyone give up on this thread?
ITEMS FOR TRADE immediately acceptable: ( Not Including Basic LABOR )
Gasoline, Food, White Gas, Propane, Diesel, Liquor, Cigarettes, Batteries, Generator, Oil, Medical supplies or knowledge, engine repair/ maintaince, Chainsaw and /or Blades, Tree( firewood) cutting or simply delivery, Stock Animals, Chickens, Rabbitts, Ammo, Building supplies and /or labor, Military Experience, EMT Experience, Firefighter Experience, Police Experience, National Guard Experience, Veterinary Services Experience and/or MEDS, Heavy Equipment, working Communication devices and /or shortwave or HAM Experience, Massage Therapist, Chriopractor, or Reki Master, Akido Master, Or any other Martial Arts Expert, Gold, Silver, Gunpowder, 'working' security cameras and monitors that run 12 volt, Solar Panels, or Wind Generators. Anything that runs on 12 volts, besides cell phones. Water TANKS, Water trucks, baby formula, diapers if applicable,
After all that simply ASK them what they 'know' or what they can contribute. Providing them with a list, such as this, will help immediately to spark their imagination, and what to be looking for.