Surviving the chaos

Originally posted by Anti-Tyrant
reply to post by Anuubis

 

I would never follow someone who grabs for power, i would constantly be paranoid over whether or not i was being used as a tool rather than as a key asset.

Such people have a tendancy to leave the wounded behind, too.

You could say i'm a believer of the ideal of "No one gets left behind" - and that includes with training.

Someone like that will get everyone in your group killed very quickly!

Originally posted by soldiermom
reply to post by whitewave

 

I live about 35 miles NE of Tulsa. Are you nearby? U2U me if you are and maybe we can arrange a get-together.

My husband basically humors me on the survival issue so, at the very least I'll have someone to talk to that views this as a possible reality.

Thats great! Now maybe you two can get other peoples attention and form a group.

reply to post by Anuubis


Actually, it's because of this attitude that i can never be a leader.

I'm all too willing to stay behind and die alongside a wounded comrade instead of leading the group to survival.

In the case of which i end up in a group, of course.

Perhaps this is the real reason i avoid groups, not because i feel i'm better off without them, but because there is a great many more reasons to die.

Alone, i do not feel so suicidally kind.

reply to post by Anti-Tyrant
With a group, if anyone has any compassion, you can easily carry the wounded. If someone has para-cord or rope you can make a stretcher in about two minutes.

reply to post by Anuubis


If i had two minutes, then i would.


Unfortunately, having wounded among you will drastically cut down on manuevourability if you lack transport - so still, i would be moving on without the protection of the group.

You could say i'm a regular f***-up, fully aware of the disadvantages of being in a group and yet still willing to stick it out if i end up in one.

reply to post by Anti-Tyrant
If you don't have 2 minutes then drag them to safety. If it was you don't you think your friends would risk their lives for you. I would in a heartbeat. My friends and family mean the world to me.

reply to post by Anuubis


Amidst a squad of special forces-level soldiers?

It's unlikely that i'd be able to drag the wounded to safety if assaulted by such individuals who are well-versed in the theatre of war.

I am under no illusions as to the skill of my enemy.

Whenever i think about my planning, the possible tactics that can be used by the enemy, i always give them the greatest estimated tactical value when thinking about how they intend to get rid of me.

It would be nice to think of the enemy as a disorganised mob with the aim of a drunken schoolgirl, but that's a luxury i will never afford myself.

If possible, then yes, i would drag the wounded to safety - if possible i would bring him to the group, thus providing him with greater chances of survival.

But say what you like, a wounded man will slow down the group.

It is nessecary for one to fight a rear-guard action in such an event...

reply to post by Wotan


Wotan aye!! similar paths..never did the full training ...got out after seven and a half years...then went back to my trade...became a manager !!

Taught me a lot about management the NHS...and how not to do things..

But between growing up with a mum that was a nurse, army training and the first aid,,,then being a nurse...you realise just how frail the body can be..not just with illnesses but injuries..and put into my survival knowledge its very handy to have,,,

Plus as you and your partner,,,my wife was also a good HCA and we both worked in acute medecine!!

We both left for the same reasons..!! bit of a bugger that because we both loved the job !!

reply to post by Anti-Tyrant



I think if I had the special forces that close I would stick my hands as far into the air as I could!!..I think if I was in that situation...and you know you are just about to get an after life....I want to see the bugger who is pulling the trigger!!..

As far as leaders...wouldn't trust anyone that wants to be a leader...thats whats got us to this stage!!

reply to post by Anti-Tyrant
The odds of facing spec-ops type soldiers will be slim to none. When our country is in total chaos and there is no leadership from the government most of the soldiers will be trying to find their families. The ones who don't go awol will be busy trying to maintain order in whats left of the cities. So odds are we will be facing "disorganised mobs with the aim of drunken schoolgirls".



[edit on 5-7-2008 by Anuubis]

Originally posted by Anuubis
reply to post by Anti-Tyrant

 

The odds of facing spec-ops type soldiers will be slim to none. When our country is in total chaos and there is no leadership from the government most of the soldiers will be trying to find their families. The ones who don't go awol will be busy trying to maintain order in whats left of the cities. So odds are we will be facing "disorganised mobs with the aim of drunken schoolgirls".



[edit on 5-7-2008 by Anuubis]

For the Short term you are correct.

Then comes in the UN, France, Germany, Possibly Russia and China to "help" us Poor Americans our of a "jam".

I've personally NEVER FEARED the US Military, on our own soil. We all like Apple Pie, and I persoanlly think that Most would side with the Civilians.

Throw in a Few UN Troops, or Other foreign forces, and thats where I see the Trouble Starting.

Yep I really want a Bunch of UN Soldiers trying to 'round us up' to go to the relocation centers... for "our" Help and "benefit".

Yeah Right....

Thats where I see the BIGGEST Problem arising, Foreign Troops sent in to " help".

Of Course confiscating your weapons is the first order of business..., then collecting everyone in many "camps' around the country.

Someone forgot the Hot Chocolate and MArsh,mellows, and they wont let you 'go back' to your stash to get them... hummmm... detained......

Ooops too late now though to figure THAT out now huh?


Drunken Schoolgirls.... I highly Doubt it. I see trained uniformed SOLDIERS on US SOIL that probably dont give a Right Rats Ass about OUR RIGHTS or Heritage.

Good Morning...


Blitzkreigen

reply to post by Blitzkreigen


BK, I'm a military retiree and disagree with alot of what you've been advising. A survival group like a military platoon needs all sorts of skill levels ranging from virtually unskilled to highly trained specialists. The guy from Kinkos may know how to fix computers and other electronic hardware. The guy from Pizza hut can probably cook and can run a food service operation. Back in '90, I was part of a bare base operation during Desert Storm. We basically setup a new airbase in about 30 days. Because of the limited manpower, most folks were cross utilized at one point or another ie I had security and medical folks helping us to build bombs and I built shelters for the med techs and pull turns guarding the perimeter. You'll never know who has what skills they may posess by merely judging them by what they did before the chaos started. 90% of what you need to do to survive won't require a whole lot of specialized skills anyway. They didn't call it grunt work in the military for nothing. Some folks also may have hidden talents as well such as green thumb or exceptional sense of sight,smell or hearing.

As far as the UN showing up to take over the US, that ain't nothing but a militia fantasy. Blackwater wouldn't last a week in Iraq without heavy support from the US military. I doubt they'd last 2 days in a major US urban area if they were to try and seize guns or other supplies from folks without being ambushed at every corner.

reply to post by crgintx


I totally agree with what you are saying ....... never judge a book by its cover. I for one have had three very different jobs during my adult life - Royal Navy, IT and now Nursing, not to mention various hobbies on and off as pistol shooting (pre-Dunblane Massacre), Sea Fishing, Horse Riding and Gardening.

Almost all people will be able to contribute something to any group whether they know it or not, even if it is just a pair of willing hands, brute strength or a damm good sense of humour. It sometimes takes an extreme 'situation' for some people to 'discover' their hidden talent(s).

Just because a guy/girl flips burgers for a living or works in an Insurance office, it doesnt mean that they do not have something to contribute. They may have in their spare time some very useful hobbies or pastimes.

Not everyone has to be John Rambo. In fact I would probably leave the John Rambo behind at the first opportunity.

Originally posted by crgintx
reply to post by Blitzkreigen

 

BK, I'm a military retiree and disagree with alot of what you've been advising. A survival group like a military platoon needs all sorts of skill levels ranging from virtually unskilled to highly trained specialists. The guy from Kinkos may know how to fix computers and other electronic hardware. The guy from Pizza hut can probably cook and can run a food service operation. Back in '90, I was part of a bare base operation during Desert Storm. We basically setup a new airbase in about 30 days. Because of the limited manpower, most folks were cross utilized at one point or another ie I had security and medical folks helping us to build bombs and I built shelters for the med techs and pull turns guarding the perimeter. You'll never know who has what skills they may posess by merely judging them by what they did before the chaos started. 90% of what you need to do to survive won't require a whole lot of specialized skills anyway. They didn't call it grunt work in the military for nothing. Some folks also may have hidden talents as well such as green thumb or exceptional sense of sight,smell or hearing.

As far as the UN showing up to take over the US, that ain't nothing but a militia fantasy. Blackwater wouldn't last a week in Iraq without heavy support from the US military. I doubt they'd last 2 days in a major US urban area if they were to try and seize guns or other supplies from folks without being ambushed at every corner.

Amen brother, preach on!

reply to post by Blitzkreigen
There are too many of us Americans with guns that know how to use them very well for any foreign entity to stay on our soil for long.

Originally posted by Anuubis
When our country is in total chaos and there is no leadership from the government most of the soldiers will be trying to find their families.

Okay, what about once they've found them?

Short-term, long-term, it's all the same to me.

What happens in the long-term is a direct result of what happens in the short-term.

As such, if the reasons behind the sit-x are discovered at some point (which i have no doubts that some people, some... unfortunate people will) then we won't be the only ones capable of realising that there are individuals out there who can put the peices together.

As such, they will be watching for build-ups of manpower, and if a militant mentality is exhibited in their actions, i think it's quite likely that those groups will be targeted for "Acting outside of the interests of public order".

reply to post by Anti-Tyrant
Yes but with no serious military backing they aren't going to be able to do anything.

Originally posted by crgintx
reply to post by Blitzkreigen

 

BK, I'm a military retiree and disagree with alot of what you've been advising. A survival group like a military platoon needs all sorts of skill levels ranging from virtually unskilled to highly trained specialists. The guy from Kinkos may know how to fix computers and other electronic hardware. The guy from Pizza hut can probably cook and can run a food service operation. Back in '90, I was part of a bare base operation during Desert Storm. We basically setup a new airbase in about 30 days. Because of the limited manpower, most folks were cross utilized at one point or another ie I had security and medical folks helping us to build bombs and I built shelters for the med techs and pull turns guarding the perimeter. You'll never know who has what skills they may posess by merely judging them by what they did before the chaos started. 90% of what you need to do to survive won't require a whole lot of specialized skills anyway. They didn't call it grunt work in the military for nothing. Some folks also may have hidden talents as well such as green thumb or exceptional sense of sight,smell or hearing.

Ok, I get it.

I'll ASK from now on. ( Personal Qualifications )

I just cant get past the SUPPLY and Logistics problem, of especially food and water for a group much larger than my Family.

I can see a need for a lot of 'Hands', Guards, Cooks, Medics, Nurses, Farmers, / Ranchers.

I personally cant afford to feed them for any length of time.

I guess everyone needs to be able to provide their own food for at least the first 3 months.

I just dont see a lot of effort made by most folks, except I see Gardens going in everywhere.

As far as the UN showing up to take over the US, that ain't nothing but a militia fantasy. Blackwater wouldn't last a week in Iraq without heavy support from the US military. I doubt they'd last 2 days in a major US urban area if they were to try and seize guns or other supplies from folks without being ambushed at every corner.

Well, I saw Katrina, on a local scale and it just goes without saying that most of our Troops and Nat. Guard are overseas right now.

I think the "fantasy" is that the Gov. can assemble a disaster recovery team in a Katrina type x 10, or worse, on a National Scale. ( not just Storms )

Anything 'pops' on a National Scale, and you can bet other countries will be sending in their support and relief teams within a week or two.

Include 'security' and 'law enforcement' in that "Plan of the Day" as well.

Lets just hope that Final Command and Control is still retained by the US Military on our own soil.

I cant see my Local Police Department Retaining Control for much more than an hour or three, maybe a week at best with local National Guard Reserves avaolable in the cities.

I guess it just depends on what the Sit- X is.

Of coure I'm thinking worst case scenario.

Anything else is Much Easier to deal with.

Best regards,

Blitzkreigen

Originally posted by Wotan
reply to post by crgintx

 

I totally agree with what you are saying ....... never judge a book by its cover. I for one have had three very different jobs during my adult life - Royal Navy, IT and now Nursing, not to mention various hobbies on and off as pistol shooting (pre-Dunblane Massacre), Sea Fishing, Horse Riding and Gardening.

Almost all people will be able to contribute something to any group whether they know it or not, even if it is just a pair of willing hands, brute strength or a damm good sense of humour. It sometimes takes an extreme 'situation' for some people to 'discover' their hidden talent(s).

Just because a guy/girl flips burgers for a living or works in an Insurance office, it doesnt mean that they do not have something to contribute. They may have in their spare time some very useful hobbies or pastimes.

Not everyone has to be John Rambo. In fact I would probably leave the John Rambo behind at the first opportunity.

Ok, I really do Get It now...

I WILL start ASKING "who knows what".

I just cant feed em.

Farmers and ranchers probably wont need fed, but they dont need a Group probably either.They are already set up with food water and a house/ barn at minimum. They can take care of their own, most likely.

Nurses, Medics and EMT are going to be VERY high demand people who have a responsibility to their jobs and communities. I bet they will be that last to try to 'bug out'. Lets hope they can later on. What a Great source for aquiring the proper medical supplies and alternative natural meds.

'Cooks' and 'Hands' are pretty easy to come by, although specialists would be great. Say for example a Vegetartian Chef, small engine Mechanic or a Carpenter. Lets add a Chemist to mix Bio Diesel.

I just cant see the food on the table yet. Or the Fuel. Most cant afford either now a days for even "daily living".

I know.. I need to find a Tanker Truck Driver to recruit and a Chicken Hauler.


Best Regards,

Blitzkreigen









[edit on 8-7-2008 by Blitzkreigen]

Originally posted by Anuubis
reply to post by Blitzkreigen

 

There are too many of us Americans with guns that know how to use them very well for any foreign entity to stay on our soil for long.

Till they break out the Hi Tek.

We would be called "terrorists" and dealt with with Military Might that only a Government can afford or aquire.

Like I say, lets hope that the US Military keeps Control.

I trust them NOT to Screw over the American Civilians, like Foreign "Rescue Services" would.

( I think I'd trust the Auzzies too )

Of course this is all Worst Case Scenario Sit -X.

Anything 'less' is much more civilized and "normal" to get through.

Blitzkreigen