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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
Bush: Critics Of Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, and Rendition are 'Slandering America'
thinkprogress.org
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During an interview with President Bush on Britain’s Sky News yesterday, Sky political editor Adam Boulton noted that while Bush talks “a lot about freedom,” there are many who say that some of the Bush administration’s torture and detention policies represent “the complete opposite of freedom.” But Bush quickly snapped back, saying those criticizing his policies are slandering America:
BOULTON: There are those who would say look, lets take Guantanamo Bay, and Abu Ghraib, and rendition and all those things and to them that is the complete opposite of freedom.
BUSH: Of course, if you want to slander America.
Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by proteus33
Originally posted by proteus33
how is it easier because of bush because he didn';t go after the terroist.
911 was done by saudi arabians i don't recall the first marine to land boot in sausi arabia. this whole crappy thing was orchistrated to make pile upon piles of money for bush and his friends if you haven't realized this than i pity you.
What you, and most others here, do not realize, is the fact that the NATION of SA didn't attack us. It was some outcasts from Saudi Arabia.
As for those who say the laws were always there, sorry you are wrong. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that defines or outlines the steps to take when engaged in war with another nation, much less a bunch of islamo-fascist terrorists who wear no uniform or carry no flag.
Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05
reply to post by sos37
Your question is dumb thats why noone wants to "play along"
Offer proof and i might go along with it ..
But it seems the proof is only coming after the torture..
Also . Can you cite a few cases that we have stopped using torture?
That could help your cause too.. If such a case exists..
Hypothetically: If the earth is flat . Are the stars green?
Yes of course in a hypothetical world this could be the case.. But alas . This is the real world and we like facts..
Too bad nothing you have stated shows facts that this saved lives at all .
So in my hypothetical world .
You support torturing possibly innocent people . Well atleast enough torture to make them look guilty.
[edit on 17-6-2008 by d11_m_na_c05]
Originally posted by mind is the universe
reply to post by just great
Nobody has the right to kill another. If your a christian, then you would believe that.
Originally posted by sos37
"Their" level??? We're talking about saving thousands of innocent lives versus a prisoner of war's personal discomfort. Are you saying that you wouldn't waterboard based on not wanting to stoop to "their" level?
Originally posted by Grafilthy
reply to post by sos37
By using "terror" like tactics you are only just as good as the guy you are torturing. I don't understand how one guy is better than the other when they are both doing the same thing?
Originally posted by mind is the universe
reply to post by sos37
I'm not religious or any means, I posed the point.
If your christian, and you kill, then you are breaking one of the commandments.
Now you can sing and dance if you like. huff and puff about it. thats the fact. How does you shoot me and I'll shoot you work? explain to me how killling each other works.
I'm listening................
[edit on 17-6-2008 by mind is the universe]
Originally posted by mind is the universe
reply to post by sos37
I'm not religious or any means, I posed the point.
If your christian, and you kill, then you are breaking one of the commandments.
Now you can sing and dance if you like. huff and puff about it. thats the fact. How does you shoot me and I'll shoot you work? explain to me how killling each other works.
I'm listening................
[edit on 17-6-2008 by mind is the universe]
Originally posted by sos37
Originally posted by mind is the universe
reply to post by just great
Nobody has the right to kill another. If your a christian, then you would believe that.
Not true. I'm Christian and I believe lethal force is justified in cases of self defense or to prevent another person from being killed.
Originally posted by Maxmars
reply to post by sos37
Just logged backed on...., my what a horrible lambasting I took while I commuted!
You're hypothetical is in fact tremendously important, in my opinion. Because it is neither impossible, not unlikely that such a scenario might come to pass. So, you'll get no prevarication from me.
Assume as you suggest that such a scenario has passed. A human (man.woman, or child - it makes no difference) who was suspected of having this information - vital to the survival of thousands (or hundreds, or dozens - it makes no difference) was subjected to brutality for the purpose of coercing a revelation that led to the rescue of innocents.
((I hope that satisfies the supposition))
Is this the scenario you describe - adequately represented? Or do you care to qualify it further. I anticipate resistance to the idea that 'we' the 'torturer' somehow 'knew' this information was, in fact, available for 'extraction'.
Please respond at your convenience.
[edit on 17-6-2008 by Maxmars]
Originally posted by sos37
Originally posted by mind is the universe
reply to post by sos37
[edit on 17-6-2008 by mind is the universe]
If you've entered my home with the intent to kill me or my family then I have no other choice than to defend them or myself. Yes, technically it's still breaking one of the commandments, but I believe that's an issue between ME and God. Personally, I believe God would forgive me because I did not seek you out with the intention to kill, just as the law would not charge me for murder.
Originally posted by mind is the universe
reply to post by sos37
okay who is being tortured here?? Forgive me but I don't see what your trying to point out?