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Bush: Critics Of Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, and Rendition are 'Slandering America'

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posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 02:42 PM
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Bush: Critics Of Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, and Rendition are 'Slandering America'


thinkprogress.org

During an interview with President Bush on Britain’s Sky News yesterday, Sky political editor Adam Boulton noted that while Bush talks “a lot about freedom,” there are many who say that some of the Bush administration’s torture and detention policies represent “the complete opposite of freedom.” But Bush quickly snapped back, saying those criticizing his policies are slandering America:

BOULTON: There are those who would say look, lets take Guantanamo Bay, and Abu Ghraib, and rendition and all those things and to them that is the complete opposite of freedom.

BUSH: Of course, if you want to slander America.

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posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 02:42 PM
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LOL.

So now, anyone not approving of kidnapping, torture, violation of habeas corpus, etc., is "slandering america" according to our Decider.

The arrogance of this monster is just stunning. He will be laughing all the way to his amnesty on his paraguayan ranch at all the death and suffering he has caused, and thumbing his nose at the whole world as he is now.

Sad, that one person can so blatantly get away with so many crimes that have ruined so many lives...


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[edit on 16/6/2008 by Mirthful Me]



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 03:42 PM
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Poor George W. just doesn't get it. He thinks that being President of the United States makes him right. He doesn't understand that neither he nor his position
place him above morality.
daddio



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 04:17 PM
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The United States was thrust into uncharted waters when we were attacked by a bunch of wacko wild-eyed terrorists. Laws governing the way we dealt with them were vague, and sometimes non-existent.

Bush decided to go after them with the goals of destroying their organization and keeping the country safe from another attack. Sometimes the rules had to be interpreted on the fly, in our favor, and not that of the terrorists.

The next time, it will be easier because of Bush.

Bush knew full well that many of his decisions would be challenged. But he decided that the safety and security of our people was paramount. So he acted first and asked questions later.

The beauty of our system is that it works. Slowly, but it works. I don't fault Bush for his intentions. I applaud him.

Don't worry, DD - all the terrorists will get their just due. I know how important it is for you to protect them, so they can be released to plan and carry out further attacks on innocent people.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 04:47 PM
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Bush is a greedy psychopath, there's enough evidence to prove this guy is only out for himself, but the rest of us chicken-s#!t Americans won't even protest the gas going up like the Brits/French/Spanish.....but hey, we voted the f-ing retard in right? And we wonder why we(Americans) even take so much flak here on the boards..HMMMMMM wonder...

So is this guy impeached yet or what?



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
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Don't worry, DD - all the terrorists will get their just due. I know how important it is for you to protect them, so they can be released to plan and carry out further attacks on innocent people.


Becky wow... is that really what you think of someone that actively supports our constitutional rights??? I never thought you would have sunk that low...jeez.

Yer all abuncha terrrerest luvin slanderin A' rabs.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 04:58 PM
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Hey Bush! It isn't right after 9/11 anymore! We're not all going to back every stupid thing you say. Most people don't agree with ANYTHING you're doing. If anyone is slandering America it's you, by taking away our freedoms, and claiming America is still free.


Lying is slander Bush, that's all you know.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 05:01 PM
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Chalk up another reason why I can't stand W. If you disagree with his views you are either an "evildoer" or "Slandering America".

We better get rid of that first amendment then, can't have a bunch of dumb americans slandering all over the place.

The guy is just not bright, How do you slander a Country?


slan�der �� (slndr) KEY �

NOUN:

Law Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
A false and malicious statement or report about someone


Is the United States gonna sue me? I'm certainly one of those people opposed to torture.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 05:09 PM
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The laws were not vague or non existent. That's just a talking point, and a false one at that.

We have long since had charters and laws for each relevant agency and administration to administer justice in cases such as these. What Bush did is wrong. He took office and declared the Geneva Conventions worthless, declared the UN Charter worthless(Because he didn't intend to follow it), and with the patriot and protect America acts(Such misleading titles) removed our rights to protest it, petition it, or try it in court. That is unconstitutional. And also tears apart Habeas Corpus, a fundamental right everyone should have. To show up in court and say "Why am I in prison" is a fundamental right, and it is what sets us apart from the rest. This guarantees no one will be released, only that they get the trial that even Nazi WW2 criminals were allowed to have. And before you say something about terrorists, a good chunk of these terrorists, are nothing more than people at the wrong place at the wrong time, some of them are just villagers and journalists. These people should have their day in court, as well as the enemy combatants that were legitimately captured.

But to hold someone for an undetermined amount of time, to be subject to torture and humiliation, to be placed under inhumane conditions, is anti-American. While we fight this war, lets try our best not to become our enemy.


Edit to add:

The President Swears to the Uphold and Protect the CONSTITUTION, because it is the Constitution that PROTECTS US.

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posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 05:14 PM
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I got one for Mr. bush he can kiss my big Latino butt,


I think that Bush really think that he is a God and above everything, guess what they way our nation has allowed this big moron in the white house stay for so long he actually can say that he is in control because so far nobody has challenge him,.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
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Laws governing the way we dealt with them were vague, and sometimes non-existent.


No, no they are not. The laws are there.....and have been for about 200 years. They just picked and chose which one's were the most inconvenient and/or obstructions....and abolished or ignored them.

They are criminals plain and simple.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 07:23 PM
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how is it easier because of bush because he didn';t go after the terroist.
911 was done by saudi arabians i don't recall the first marine to land boot in sausi arabia. this whole crappy thing was orchistrated to make pile upon piles of money for bush and his friends if you haven't realized this than i pity you.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 07:42 PM
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Slander!
How can they hurt our reputation any worse than it is?


I gotta see this guy on stage: George "Dangerfield" Bush, "We don't get no respect!"



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 07:57 PM
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This is typical of the psychology of the extreme right.

Their propaganda centers around the idea that they are the true Americans, and that those who don't drink the snake oil are not merely political opponents, but traitors.

Thus somehow if you speak out against Bush and his policies, you are speaking out against America, because they're one and the same.

The 70% of Americans that don't approve of how he's running the country?

They're all traitors who hate America


[edit on 6/16/08 by xmotex]



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 08:00 PM
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Bush is one of the most intolerant politicians, you know kind of like a dictator.



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 08:39 PM
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posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:04 PM
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Why does the world hate America?
Look in the mirror.
They hate the Bush administration because they are war mongering tyrants.
They hate your military because they are tools of the administration, and have been shown on many occaisions to be no better than those they claim to be fighting.
And they hate you and your like minded kind for supporting this nonsense.
Unfortunately for you, only about 20% of the American population, and 10% or less of the rest of "civilised" world actually believe the company line that a bunch of wacked out fanatics actually perpetrated the crime that all of this was started over.
But, this is not the most unfortunate part. The most unfortunate part is that someone who has what appears to be rational intelligence, can still be so blind in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Curious.Very curious indeed.
What is fortunate for you, is that most of the world still has hope for America, because of the 80% who don't believe. You should thank any "truther" you meet. They are the key to forgiveness. Without them, you would be universally hated by all.
Oh, sure, you'll say, "We don't care what the world thinks".
Well, you can lie to yourself if you like, but the fact is, if America didn't care what the world thought, it would stay in it's own borders, stop sticking it's collective nose in everyones business, and basically STFU.
If you didn't care, phrases like "America is #1" wouldn't exist.
When you brag, it's because you want everyone to notice that you are good, not because you don't care what they think.
Yet, the world continues to care back, as evidenced by the help offered in the wake of Katrina (which your wise administration turned down
).
Why does the world hate America?
It doesn't. Very disappointed, yes. Hate ,no.
That is a fallacy your beloved Bush administration cooked up to keep people like you frothing at the mouth over percieved terrorists.
There are terrorists. They have names like Rumsfeld, Cheney, Chertoff, and Gonzales. I'd say Bush, but he's a puppet and everyone knows it.
Time to wake up, sleepy head. You are in a dream of your own making.
The real world is waiting



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective

Bush: Critics Of Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, and Rendition are 'Slandering America'


thinkprogress.org

During an interview with President Bush on Britain’s Sky News yesterday, Sky political editor Adam Boulton noted that while Bush talks “a lot about freedom,” there are many who say that some of the Bush administration’s torture and detention policies represent “the complete opposite of freedom.” But Bush quickly snapped back, saying those criticizing his policies are slandering America:

BOULTON: There are those who would say look, lets take Guantanamo Bay, and Abu Ghraib, and rendition and all those things and to them that is the complete opposite of freedom.

BUSH: Of course, if you want to slander America.

(visit the link for the full news article)


From www.merriam-webster.com... Definition of "Slander"

1 : the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation 2 : a false and defamatory oral statement about a person — compare libel


It's not the complete opposite of "Freedom" to have people detained without trial and forced to confess under torture? I seem to recall a couple of amendments to our Constitution that address this very thing. And you will note that it does not say "citizens" in those amendments, but "people". We know the Framers knew the difference, because they used the word "citizen" when describing the requirements for the office of President. I will leave it up to you to figure out which amendments, because God knows, there are quite a few people on here that have never read the document.


(BTW OP, this wasn't addressed specifically to you)



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by Leo Strauss

Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by DimensionalDetective
 


Don't worry, DD - all the terrorists will get their just due. I know how important it is for you to protect them, so they can be released to plan and carry out further attacks on innocent people.


Becky wow... is that really what you think of someone that actively supports our constitutional rights??? I never thought you would have sunk that low...jeez.

Yer all abuncha terrrerest luvin slanderin A' rabs.





Actively supports our constitutional rights? Bullcrap. Show me one post where DD has supported the GOOD in our country. He is a nattering nabob of negativism, always badmouthing everything about the US. He dwells in his misery. And he has this distorted view that he is somehow patriotic because he can squat in front of his PC and use the very freedoms he says we have lost to trash talk our country.

There is a time and place for criticizing your nation. But not to the tune of a dozen threads a day.:shk:



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by proteus33
how is it easier because of bush because he didn';t go after the terroist.
911 was done by saudi arabians i don't recall the first marine to land boot in sausi arabia. this whole crappy thing was orchistrated to make pile upon piles of money for bush and his friends if you haven't realized this than i pity you.


What you, and most others here, do not realize, is the fact that the NATION of SA didn't attack us. It was some outcasts from Saudi Arabia.

As for those who say the laws were always there, sorry you are wrong. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that defines or outlines the steps to take when engaged in war with another nation, much less a bunch of islamo-fascist terrorists who wear no uniform or carry no flag.



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