Freemasons and Power

Originally posted by RuneSpider

Originally posted by applebiter
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I will be surprised if this post isn't deleted.

Edited for repetitive word use.

[edit on 15-6-2008 by applebiter]

The only posts that get removed are the ones that intensley violate the T&C. It's not a censoring tool of anykind. Heck, most of the time the mods just remove the offensive part if there's a way to salvage the post. There's no need to bring ATS itself into this thread either.

Um... ok. But it looks to me like you're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

Many of the Irish Judiciary and High Counsel are freemasons !

Last post here, honest. I think masons and non-masons can agree that like any org. there is an upper echelon that holds a power (think pyramid) and while the lower factions so to speak, mean all well and good, a self policing is needed. For example as an American I love my country but that does not mean there are not corrupt facets to it. That is what our Constitution and The Bill Of Rights are there for.
"Can't we all just get along" -Rodney King

Originally posted by liamoohay
Last post here, honest. I think masons and non-masons can agree that like any org. there is an upper echelon that holds a power (think pyramid) and while the lower factions so to speak, mean all well and good, a self policing is needed.

It's true that in all organizations there are governors. But what anti-Masons can't understand is that, in Freemasonry, it is completely transparent.

All Grand Lodge officers, including Grand Master, are elected from the floor by the majority of representatives. And any Mason can attend Grand Lodge sessions and inform himself about how the fraternity is being governed, and "what's going on".

AS CITIZEN OF A DEMOCRACY

We as people, do not tolerated any government who are not
100% transparent and without secrets.

We as people do not accepted a government who do not
have his doors open for ALL citizen IN ALL TIME, to witness
their meeting and debates and to have the right to see
government documents to avoid conspiracies.

EVERY TIME populations, blindly trusted the government,
anywhere in the world and history, the government ALWAYS
use tyranny against humanity and was invaded by corruption.

In a secret organisation like the freemason, where everybody
are not ALWAYS, allowed in the lodges to avoid profanes to
knowledge, what’s going in freemason rituals, don't you think,
it would be even WORSE, i mean with even more corruption and
secret agenda against population. a real nest of POWER,
dangerous for humanity.

Should Freemasonry, open ALL their lodge's doors and documents
in ALL TIME and For EVERYBODY, to avoid...

‘’ SECRET OATHS, SECRET SOCIETIES and SECRET PROCEEDINGS’’
( like '' JFK '' said in April 27, 1961 )

OR we should close them all and banned it forever ?

Peace

All legitimate and true power is vested in a single individual, commonly known as the King. He maintains an anonymous life. Secret societies that are worth their weight, claim to have some knowledge of and responsibilities related to this King. This is their greatest secret.

A secret society can be of one of two flavors: for the King or against the King. The King does as he pleases and can choose life or death.

If a secret society is for the King and the King chooses death the members of the society receive death.

If a secret society is against the King and the King chooses death the members of that society receive life and the world gets death.

If a secret society is against the King and the King chooses life, the members of that society receive death and the world receives life.

If the secret society is for the King and the King chooses life, the members of that society receive life, the wider world receives life and the society that was against the King receives death.

FYI, the King chose life, all pro-King secret societies will receive life everlasting and power and authority, the wider world will receive life and everyone who stood against the King will receive death.

Originally posted by bruxfain

If a secret society is against the King and the King chooses death the
members of that society receive life and the world gets death.

And a MASTER, become the new KING

Peace

Originally posted by Lara Croft Peaceful World
We as people do not accepted a government who do not
have his doors open for ALL citizen IN ALL TIME, to witness
their meeting and debates and to have the right to see
government documents to avoid conspiracies.

The vast majority of US government meetings are open and required to be open by law - people still believe in outlandish conspiracy theories. Even with all the information in the world, someone will still make up conspiracies.

Originally posted by Lara Croft Peaceful World
In a secret organisation like the freemason, where everybody
are not ALWAYS, allowed in the lodges to avoid profanes to
knowledge, what’s going in freemason rituals, don't you think,
it would be even WORSE, i mean with even more corruption and
secret agenda against population. a real nest of POWER,
dangerous for humanity.

Uhh, actually, everyone is allowed to take a tour of my lodge...and any other lodge I can think of. Not that people want a tour, but sometimes they do. Often, they are conspiracy theorists, who are saddened to find out the truth (that there is no conspiracy).

As for whats going on in the rituals? We won't tell you, but you can find out in about 30 seconds on google. Yeah, theres an agenda of corruption, I tell you!

Originally posted by Lara Croft Peaceful World
Should Freemasonry, open ALL their lodge's doors and documents
in ALL TIME and For EVERYBODY, to avoid...

Done already. You can find the records of nearly every lodge at your local university. Doors are always open, too. Feel free to look around and satisfy your paranoia.

Originally posted by Lara Croft Peaceful World
‘’ SECRET OATHS, SECRET SOCIETIES and SECRET PROCEEDINGS’’
( like '' JFK '' said in April 27, 1961 )

OR we should close them all and banned it forever ?

While this is a common anti-mason propaganda line, JFK's speech was not directed toward freemasonry, but was about freedom of the press. Its pretty well known, if you actually read the context and the history.

Several generalized keys to power --
1. Be the power behind the thrown
2. Work through surrogates - trade favors
3. Diversify - operate 2, 3, 4 different religions
4. Use need to know security so insubordinates don't know what's really going on.
5. Appear benevolent, charitable, do good deeds
6. Allow the facade of free will don't over expose with control unless or until you control absolutely.
7. Misdirect
8. Brainwash with causes, believes, laws, examples
9. Intimidate
10. Distract and confuse the opposition - black is white, white is black
11. Play all sides against each other - take no side but your own

Just for clarity, some facts here.
www.itz-at.com...

do yourself a favor and do a researrch on freemason before you give your opinion based on hersay.

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I've never felt more secure. I'm not kidding.

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The single most absurd thing I have read today. Even after being called a homosexual for calling Masons "brother" I can honestly say THAT was the most ignorant.

Tell me, oh wise one..... who is the "king"?

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I wonder if its like a Survivor game or Big Brother, where we can nominate someone to be "King." In that case my vote for masonic King is...

*Cue scary music*

Rockpuck!

reply to post by applebiter


Sorry mate, that one post of mine was a bit of baiting, kinda hectic over here right now, letting it leak out here a bit to much. I think I'm going to go back to the sidelines for abit.

reply to post by RuneSpider


No, you weren't off by much. This is all real-time for me right now. I'm not clever enough to do otherwise.

reply to post by applebiter


You and me both mate, I'm just here for the popcorn and the show really.

i tried to expressed my thought, about what we expect,
as people of a democratic country. when i said that,
if we expect, from all organisation and government to be 100%
transparent it's because, WE LEARNED FROM OUR MISTAKES.

SO, '' EVERY '' organisation ( Spefically freemasonry)
must be open to public, IN ALL TIME i repeat '' IN ALL TIME ''
and not only once a years or only when asked to visited,
ALL DOORS MUST BY OPEN, FOR EVERYBODY, IN ANY TIME.
NO MEETINGS AT ALL, CAN BE KEPT SECRET, NONE !

OTHERWISE, corruption and tyranny will be created in secrecy.

i first came here, because a felt we had
to change the educational system. the system is not
base on family's values, and being a young mother
it really concerned me.

looking around, got me curious about secret societies.
but it is getting very confusing around here and anyway
nobody care about anybody's opinion here, it's look like
a personality contest. i realized that, this is a man's
world around here, so it is not for me

All this scare me, and the scariest part, it's not, that men
are not honest to others around here, but it's because men,
are not honest to themselves.

this is not for me, i will let it, to you guys
it was weird and scary but interesting anyway

good night guys,
and i wish you all, a Peaceful world,

Lara Croft Peaceful World

reply to post by Lara Croft Peaceful World


I scare myself, sometimes. I am listening to you and understand your frustration, because I feel "left out of the loop", too. I'm trying very hard to get plugged in, and I believe that there are people out there who will do the very best they can to point you in the right direction. Others, of course, will try to steer you the wrong way.

I think that maybe the world is so complex, that if everything that were hidden were laid open all at once, and we didn't understand what we saw, then we might jump to the wrong conclusions and do something that turned out to be against our best interest.

Have faith that even in the halls of power, there are good men AND women who are watching and who do care about the safety of you and your children. I do.

reply to post by Lara Croft Peaceful World


You want complete transparency? Live in a glass house then. Live under a video camera at all times, let people watch everything you do. Everytime you hang with your friends, crack a joke, or say anything, make sure it is completly written down with as much as you can say about it.
Next time you are at a something you feel should be private and treasured, invite the community.
Yeah, secrets are scary. Life is a bunch of secrets, we can't know everything, and we won't. What we can do is give the benefit of the doubt, learn and use our best judgment. Personally, I'd rather not live in the "Transparent world" you dream of. 'Cause glass shatters to easily, and life's made of shades.
Look, I get why you're scared, mothers should fear for their children, but don't take your fear out on the world and good people, or it'll be your nightmare.



[edit on 16-6-2008 by RuneSpider]