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The Good Book clearly states you don't get your soul until you're born. So that right there lays waste to any "Its a human!" arguement.
...Mary set out and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judah where she entered Zechariah's house and greeted Elizabeth. When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped inside her... (Elizabeth) exclaimed... "...when the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby leaped for joy inside me!"
Having read The Good Book times without number I can say with 100% certainty that this is totally untru...
So, having read the *Good Book* many times, I have to ask you.
Do you believe in predestination or free will?
Originally posted by Dock6
reply to post by Toecutter.
Think it through, Toecutter
The majority of males do not plan to produce a child every time they go to bed with a woman
Nor do the majority of males appear prepared to financially and otherwise support their children.
The average male .. even those who imagine themselves to be 'decent guys' .. has left at least one illegitimate child in his wake by the time he dies.
Who are the fathers of the hoardes of homeless children in every city in the world ?
Why do so many divorced and separated males neglect and refuse to support or even see their offspring ?
Why not go to all the US war zones, planet-wide, and count the illegitimate, unwanted and denied children born to US military ?
People here talk about God and the Bible as if by doing so they can justify their misogynistic rantings.
But where in the Bible do they find justification for the illegitimate children they seeded in crack whores .. children born screaming because of the drugs in their system. Children born mentally and physically handicapped to women who work in the so-called 'sex industry' -- prostitutes who simply walk away and leave those screaming, unwanted bundles of flesh for the world at large to raise.
Mal 2:14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet [is] she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.
"When thou art come unto the land which the Eternal thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me. . . . Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away" (Deut. 17:14, 17). It is spoken of as "THIS LAW" in verses 18 and 19.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Col 3:19 Husbands, love [your] wives, and be not bitter against them.
“They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.” (Matthew 19:7-8)
But NO-one wants babies like that ! So people undertake ... for PAY ... to give those children a 'home' ... an animal cage.
Heart-rending commercials about 'starving children' in Africa ?
Why not support the non-commercially-exploited and starving children in the United States !
Or is that because the sheer amount of starving, neglected children in the United States are not good tv-commericial material ? Is it all too embarrassing ? Are the zionist exploiters (those who take 90cents out of every dollar donated to 'starving children') aware that men in the US would prefer to keep the fatherless/starving child issue at a distance ?
Wild oats. So poetic huh ? Makes it sound almost nice. Biblical.
I think you'll find, at the end of the day, that God has never bothered to read the Bible. He might even add that he's never been attracted to fiction.
Yet here are characters attempting with all their puny might, within an open forum, to use the Bible as justification for forcing women generally into a life-sentence of unpaid servitude and poverty, raising children whose fathers are busy playing golf and spouting off on internet.
Revelation 2:9 the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.
Holy cow, you don't beat around the bush do you? Is that how you always introduce yourself to a stranger?
I'd be happy to answer a U2U if you're really interested though. The
“I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants, (Deuteronomy 30:19)...
Besides the verses that tells us directly to make choices, there are hundreds of verses that tell us how we are to live. Obviously, following this advice requires free will and the ability to choose. So, the Bible indicates pretty clearly that we are to make choices. If everything is predestined, then choice is not possible.