Why are people against gay marriage?, page 2


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reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 09:29 PM by SantaClaus
Originally posted by 888LetsRoll
I just think Gays have been in the closet for thousands of years... Just keep it there, in the closet..

[edit on 29-5-2008 by 888LetsRoll]


That's a pretty ignorant quote....


The lives of many historical figures including Socrates, Alexander the Great, Lord Byron, Edward II, Hadrian, Julius Caesar, Michelangelo, Donatello, Leonardo DaVinci, and Christopher Marlowe included or were centered upon love and sexual relationships with people of their own sex. Terms such as gay or bisexual have been often applied to them. Some, such as Michel Foucault, regard this as risking the anachronistic introduction of a contemporary construction of sexuality foreign to their times[14] , a view that is increasingly challenged.[15]
A common thread of constructionist argument is that no one in antiquity or the Middle Ages experienced homosexuality as an exclusive, permanent, or defining mode of sexuality. John Boswell has criticized this argument by citing ancient Greek writings by Plato,[16] which he says indicate knowledge of exclusive homosexuality.

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Actually, it seems many instances in history were even more accepting of homosexual acts than today. It predates Christianity!

Now on to your silly notion of having sex with as many women as possible before dying.. Well I feel the same way, then again, I'm 23 and pretty close to growing out of that ideology.

I find it hilarious that lesbian sex is thought of as a turn on and yet gay male sex is a no-no. I guess people should just live the lives you want them to, huh?


reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 09:44 PM by ANOK
Originally posted by 888LetsRoll
I dont see the point to them getting married...
Marrage is a household for raising children in a wholesome environment.


But who are you to make that distinction? Who says the household is just for raising children? And who says a same sex relationship is not wholesome? Please explain what you mean by wholesome?


Main Entry: whole·some Listen to the pronunciation of wholesome
Pronunciation: \ˈhōl-səm\
Function: adjective
Date: 13th century

1: promoting health or well-being of mind or spirit
2: promoting health of body
3 a: sound in body, mind, or morals b: having the simple health or vigor of normal domesticity
4 a: based on well-grounded fear : prudent b: safe

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I don't see anything there that excludes same sex couples.


The one thing I find really hypocritical about the Christian view is these same people will have sex out of marriage, and indulge in sexual acts other than intercourse when they claim God intended it for 'wholesome' child bearing. Isn't that also a sin, of the flesh?
What about supporting those that send our citizens to die in wars?
Christians really need to take a good look at themselves before they try to judge others, which is also a sin btw...

For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."


And yes you are hypocrites, unless you are free of sin...


As far as children being raised by same sex couples...

...She and her colleagues studied data from a broad national survey of adolescent health. They found that the children of same-sex couples performed just as well in school as their peers, and were no more or less likely to have started dating or experimenting with sex....
Dr. Patterson says it was the quality of the parent-child relationship, and not the parents' gender, that affected the teenagers' development. I'm Bob Hirshon for AAAS, the Science Society...

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It's not the same sex couples that's a problem it's the 'middle ages' thinking some people still hold on to. Homophobia is alive and well, you must all be very insecure about yourselves...


reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 10:18 PM by ANOK
reply to post by djerwulfe



But they want to marry so they have the same benefits other married couples have, not to raise children per se, though some will of course.

It is a form of discrimination against gays to not have the same rights imo, unless someone can prove homosexuality is a choice which I doubt will ever happen because it isn't.


reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 10:23 PM by resistor
reply to post by DontTreadOnMe



Beat me to it. I think that marriage should be between a couple and their God, if they so believe, or between them and their government if they so believe, or just between the two of them and their children (or not). Personally, I think that the gov has no place in such a relationship. The couple can form whatever legal agreement they deem appropriate without the gov sticking their big fat hairy thumb into the equation. Either government or religion making such demands on individual relationships is BS IMO.

As to those who deem it necessary to point out their personal preferences when it comes to sexuality; grow up. Real people are not pornography vids provided for your amusement. Don't expect them to perform for your pleasure as your porn does. If guys are kissing in front of you I guess you can just fantasize that they're girls, and so remain in your comfortable little world. Or I guess you could confront them and risk getting your ass kicked by a queer. Nothing is funnier than that, promise.
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reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 10:27 PM by djerwulfe
reply to post by ANOK



Certainly. But I believe it's accepted that there are multiple causes for homosexuality. And making a case for someone choosing to engage in homosexual behavior is shaky ground. I know pituitary abnoramlities are often associated with homosexual preferences.
So, no, I don't think it's generally viewed as a choice in general by the courts.
BUT... the question remains. People want a legal distinction. I think the simple answer is a special legal status of marriage for same-sex couples. Same laws. Different name. That would shut us up.



reply posted on 30-5-2008 @ 12:35 AM by ANOK
reply to post by Blaine91555



Well the reason they are so 'in your face' about it is because they have been oppressed for years, forced to hide their true selves.

So now they are able to be open about their sexuality they're gonna flaunt it, Human nature. It happens to anybody who is freed to be themselves after years of hiding.

They are celebrating their liberation, and what's wrong with that?

I'm sure gays feel like straight normal society is flaunted in their faces every single day...

Just because you don't like something doesn't give you the right to hate. We as Humans have a choice, you can hate or you can love, only you can make that choice.


reply posted on 30-5-2008 @ 04:11 AM by Acidtastic
Originally posted by 888LetsRoll
I dont see the point to them getting married...
Marrage is a household for raising children in a wholesome environment.

If you can show me a Man that can have a baby - I will change my Views on Marriage... Tax benefit is help grow the population... whats so special about one dude giving up his last name for the other dudes last name..
it seems they want the fruit and the framework for raising children in which it was built. I just think Gays have been in the closet for thousands of years... Just keep it there, in the closet.. now I do support domestic partner rights. healthcare, death benefits etc... but not the same status as a Household to raise children. call it something else and the same benefits of husband and wife without the Kissing in public crap.


[edit on 29-5-2008 by 888LetsRoll]
The reason my partener and I got "garried" (swat i call it) wasn't to show our love for eachother,I don't need a bit of paper for that. It was so our relationship was recognised by the law. Incase the worse happens,the remaining one of us won't get stuck with a huuge inheretance tax bill. We didn't give up our names or anything hetro like that.
As for your comment about we should just stay in the closet Why the f*** should I? To protect your poor little narow view of what is right and wrong? Get aatatown.. I'm living my life how I see fit,a if you don't like it,oh dear,what a pity,never mind. It ain't your life.

And as for the having kids,I personally don't want kids. But there are plenty of children in homes,who've had a right bum deal so far in life. If they can find a loving home with same sex partners (men or women) then who the hell are you to say that they should be denied that!! Just cos you're prejudiced,don't take it out on the innocent ones.
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