Brain Implantation..Information is the Modern Day version of Warfare.

reply to post by Ian McLean



I guess a person needs to study the spectrum and how it's been alloted... and how much information is and is not being shared with the public.

I'm no expert... but I've done alot of reading on the subject over the years and managed to gleen some startling information that supports my own personal experiences and observations.

How stuff works...




[edit on 28/6/2010 by My Home Town]

Originally posted by vivalarevolution
always been a civilian/ US citizen (grudgingly),

My apologies...but the semantical use of such after just posted recently leads me to suspice the motivations for such a post.

As well, given the length of the thread and the misleading title...I call B.S.

Apologies if I am wrong (I doubt that I am)...

Edit to Add...I told ya I was defensive. I read the rest of the post and there is some reason to believe that it wasn't a 'negative' mimicry...apologies again.

Lack of specific communication within this topic always leads me to be suspicious...I don't always remember tact with new responses...

One must remember that this really is my life that I placed on the line and I can be reactive instead of considerative here...

[edit on Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:03:43 -0500 by MemoryShock]

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Memory Shock - just to say that I appreciate the work you put into this thread. I started reading 'The Terminal Man" by M Crichton last night, and within a few pages it got me pondering about this thread.

Do you think that implants could be used to cause an artificial, non-lethal seizure? As a means of inducing fear/ controlling someone through fear of a repeat incident?

I ask because I have had a few odd experiences with what feel like 'electrical storms' in my brain - on one occasion it seemed to last for several minutes, and I experienced a torrent of images/sounds, which seemed like one of those hypnosis videos - where everything's too fast to see clearly, but there's some 'bad stuff' in there.

More recently I woke in the night, convinced I was having a seizure - zapping sensations radiating in one region of the brain (on the left side I recall). I couldn't speak and could barely breathe, I couldn't move my arms. I began to be terrified that I was actually dying, and at that point became conscious again, with no apparent ill effects.

I asked my doctor, and he said it couldn't be a seizure, as no-one is conscious during a seizure. He said it was more likely to be a 'panic attack'. I went along with that, but the physical nature of the sensations makes me think there was some actual anomalous electrical activity going on in the left hemisphere of my head-box.

What do you think? I feel that maybe I should get myself a head-scan, either X-Ray or CT, though MRI might be the best option.

I've experienced some subtle manipulation from masters of suggestion using MK style techniques, and figured perhaps there's a means of inducing seizures for 'dark' reasons; just as - even in 1971 - M Crichton was writing about implanting electrodes to do the same thing for 'therapeutic' reasons.

Any feedback much appreciated.


Noah.

Very interesting...to an extent, I think remote induction of a "neurological seizure can occur...but only if there was a conditioning period...

I have experienced what you describe but after research, I have decided that it is more likely a result of withdrawals...I still drink, despite my better judgment and have found that there is a current reasoning that some (mostly opiate/pharmaceutical) chemical interactions, when taken in sufficient "routine", will cause some neurological seizures (alcohol, weirdly, counts in this case).

It has disturbed me and ironically has led me to continue drinking because I fear those seizures (if I have indeed drank that much than my defualt physiological state includes alcohol interaction...when I drink...I remember my dreams better as opposed to the days when I don't drink. I remember them and of course have thought about remote induction but the chemical imposition that I incur upon myself is still a better explanation.

I am interested in your experience...because such is a recent experience/fear of mine. It only happens in the transitory state between "conscious/unconscious"...yes...it has happened that long and I do remember it...enough to gain an insight to the pattern.

It's chemical based, in my opinion...but could be remotely induced, again in my opinion.

I would focus more on physiological habits prior to assuming anything of a conspiratorial nature though...

The "seizures" seem benign though...it's not optimal but it hasn't, in my opinion, effected cognition or health beyond discomfort...

[edit on Sat, 03 Jul 2010 11:51:04 -0500 by MemoryShock]

Originally posted by NoahTheSumerian
Do you think that implants could be used to cause an artificial, non-lethal seizure? As a means of inducing fear/ controlling someone through fear of a repeat incident?

Direct answer...it depends on the person. It is true that no one can truly force an opinion. They can influence and they can provide reasons for inclined behaviour. But a reasoned mind can find other explanations for the experience...which is the tripping point in remote behavioural influence (if it isn't explicit; it can't be reasonably predicted/expected from an interpretational perspective).

Interesting stuff with seizure implants:

While other devices stimulate the nervous system continuously or in a predetermined pattern, the Neuropace implant is unique in that it monitors the brain, delivering jolts of electricity only when it detects the abnormal electrical activity that signals the onset of a seizure. "It's like dousing a spark before it becomes a flame," said Martha Morrell, Neuropace's chief medical officer, at a press conference at the American Epilepsy Society's annual meeting in Boston on Monday.

The device consists of a neurostimulator that's smaller than a deck of cards. It's surgically implanted into a hollowed out part of the skull, along with a set of electrical leads that can both record electrical activity and dispense jolts of electricity. The leads are placed either on the surface of the brain or deep in the brain tissue, depending on where a patient's seizures begin. Surgeons locate this spot, known as the "seizure focus," prior to surgery using a combination of brain imaging and electroencephalogram (EEG) recordings, which measure brain activity from surface electrodes on the skull, or electrocorticography (ECoG), in which activity is recorded directly from the surface of the brain.

The device, which contains a battery and a small computer, continuously monitors electrical activity. "As the [electrical activity] becomes higher in amplitude, the device is programmed to identify that as a significant event and deliver a stimulus," said Morrell at the conference. "The system then reevaluates the EEG and determines if further stimulus is needed."

www.technologyreview.com...

It would of course be entirely unethical to program one of these devices to cause seizures or other neuropathic effects. And of course the device mentioned in the article is far from undetectable...

Thank you both for the responses - food for thought..! In particular, I do use synthetic opiate painkillers for chronic back pain, and I'm on a fairly high dose. However, when I had the first 'brain-storm' (literal electrical storm/seizure) it was almost eight years ago, and I wasn't taking any medications at all - my drinking was minimal - certainly wasn't an alcoholic.

Memory Shock - I agree that we all need to search our experience and circumstance to discount non-conspiratorial explanations (if indeed there are any to discount). One place we appear to share very common ground is the hearing of voices. I've not previously mentioned this on ATS (due to the stigma usually associated with such things). However, seeing the constructive and edifying responses to your threads I've decided it's appropriate to 'fess up to being a long-term "listener"...!

I'll be happy to discuss the details further, but will wait for the go-ahead from before I start waffling on your thread..!


Noah.

Originally posted by NoahTheSumerian
I'll be happy to discuss the details further, but will wait for the go-ahead from before I start waffling on your thread..!

Please do...I am always interested in hearing real experiences on this subject...

After all...the only way this is real (context of conspiracy) is if it is a (dare I say) multi billion dollar endeavour...and even if I assume I am merely a lab rat, I still can't believe that I am the only one...

At any rate...I had to rationalize the stigma a long time ago...I hope you can too...

Originally posted by Ian McLean
It would of course be entirely unethical to program one of these devices to cause seizures or other neuropathic effects. And of course the device mentioned in the article is far from undetectable...

In my uneducated opinion...ethics is a political ploy more than it is an obstacle for those making these devices.

And with enough consideration, anything is detectable...especially if the operant results rely on social interactions...(Another memory when I had a "panic attack" outside of my motel at the time; the human escorting me tried to calm me down rather than react with any kind of surprise; I remember it clearly)...

Originally posted by MemoryShock

Originally posted by vivalarevolution
always been a civilian/ US citizen (grudgingly),

As well, given the length of the thread and the misleading title...I call B.S.



[edit on Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:03:43 -0500 by MemoryShock]

Sir, I really wish that you calling it B.S., made it so. I really do for real yo.

reply to post by vivalarevolution

I have pegged you for "in the know"...the B.S. statement was based more in subjectivity...

Sir...I recognize your use of the term Sir...

Much respect...but can we discuss more?

Originally posted by vivalarevolution

As well, given the length of the thread and the misleading title...I call B.S.

Sir, I really wish that you calling it B.S., made it so. I really do for real yo.

Directly...me too. And I believe you...

[edit on Sat, 03 Jul 2010 19:20:12 -0500 by MemoryShock]

Originally posted by MemoryShock
reply to post by vivalarevolution

 

Much respect...but can we discuss more?

I would love to discuss more, but to be honest I really wouldn't know where to start, or even what to discuss. This "earth" on which we appear to reside, is one heckl of a crazy place. That's a start.. :l

Originally posted by vivalarevolution

Originally posted by MemoryShock
reply to post by vivalarevolution

 

Much respect...but can we discuss more?

I would love to discuss more, but to be honest I really wouldn't know where to start, or even what to discuss. This "earth" on which we appear to reside, is one heckl of a crazy place. That's a start.. :l

Simply choose a point of reference and from there it will build itself. Its a pyramid within a pyramid.

Anyone who is interested enough in the subject should also include andy1033 in the whole "mess". I think over 60% of all his posts mention at least one reference of his traumatic experience with UK government mind control program.

It's hard for me to believe that someone who's been on ATS for over a year would not know andy1033 and his distinctive posts. He has over 8000 posts and by my estimates that would indicate that he mentioned "mind control" at least 5000 times on ATS, so that's quite persistent to say the least. I also doubt that you know him well enough to exclude that old ATS user from this discussion, but I could be wrong!

Again, I've just checked his most recent posts and I still stand by my estimation of 5000 posts mentioning "mind control" during his 6+ years of being on ATS . I just can't stop wondering how did he miss this thread?

reply to post by vivalarevolution

I would also love to hear about your story.

[edit on 28/7/2010 by SassyCat]

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I hadn't known...checking his posts now...

reply to post by MemoryShock

Since you're interested I'll throw out few pretty common quotes of his, I think a U2U would be more polite but he was asking for it so here goes:

Sometimes the facts don't matter

Yep op, too true. The gov and police have not let me live a life for 18 years, and no matter that i did nothing wrong, that does not matter. They just made up there looney rubbish so they could wreck my life.

Israel Tortures Detained Children

Uk and usa torture children as well, just that you do not hear about it.

6 legal ways cops can ruin you!

Uk police and gov made up anything they wanted about me to ruin my life.
Thankfully i have no money, but they would wanted desperately to wreck my life for no reason, other than to kill me for there friends.

Does School Kill Creativity?

Well i found out in 1992 doing my alevels, they where using electronic mind control in schools, in london.
So who is doing this and why, and what are they doing with this stuff?

Project Camelot - Who has been debunked?

For example mind control is so powerful today, how on earth could we ever trust someone who is like dan, does not matter if he is lying or telling the truth, how would we know.

If you were forced to face you own mortality, how do you think you would react?

I would not care either, people like the police and uk gov, have been trying desperately to get me to commit suicide for 18 years, so my life has been rotten.

The top 3 unknown conspiracies of our lifetimes

The biggest conspiracy is as follows as far as i am concerned.

1) Mind Control (nothing is more dangerous to all of us, and none of us appreciate how powerful it is today.
2) Mind Control
3) Mind Control

There is no other conspiracy that comes close to this.

When you tell someone new what mind control is, how do you explain it to them, are there any examples? Do you think mind control and social engineering is the same or different?

Vuvuzelas stir online debate at World Cup

The most dangerous thing to the world cup is english using electronic mind control to torture other teams, not that noisy thing that is played at games.

The english plan is too use electronic mind control to destroy other teams, to win.

So what is the bigger danger to the world cup?

Comment: I think this English mind control plan failed. Miserably .

Why would the idea of a gay man frighten other males so much?

The reason why i asked, is you know i always talk about how i found out they used mind control in schools in 1992, when i was doing my alevels. They used mind control to find out what i felt about females, and what i thought about females and males and all that.

They just took my thoughts and ridiculed me so bad, for feeling that way. You be amazed what i went through, i just had to leave. People are so ffing evil, especially the people who did this to me.

That's just a small part. I've read alot of threads with this posts during my humble 2 years on ATS and he's either insane or was really part of "an experiment". Either way I am certain he's not lying for just the sake of it. Besides, I've noticed little interest in this subject, which makes sense as most victims who open themselves tend to appear insane to others. I've also seen seldom blog, forum posts and comments from people in Serbia being subjected to remote "mind-torture" with aim to make you submit to someone/something. Strangely I always seem to notice that stuff more often than others. I know what's dellusional paranoia but it usually also involves angry/violent moods whilst these people just seek help, and get ignored.... This thread as well, at first recieved little attention.

[edit on 28/7/2010 by SassyCat]

Sorry, I'm more of a lurker than a poster, but I've browsed around here for around 3 or years that 'could' be part/a cause of my problem, I won't deny that, I've always have a very broad interest in subjects of all sorts, but I am by no measure an expert of anything, quite the opposite actually. As I'm typing this I want to say that everything that I type is definitely true in some aspect or another, I won't spell things out, but they'll be right in front of you if you're willing to read. Almost exactly three years ago I graduated high school and moved out to the city, (I've moved back out of it since and I hate it) to go to school, and, as I put it when I was moving out, 'build a life for the young woman that I thought I was in "love" with at that time' (haven't seen her in over a year now), thought we'd be married by now but that was only the first of a long line of "disappointments?" I didn't do so well in school even though I'd always been a pretty okay student, that was due to my job, and other 'xtra curricular' activities, and my desire to not go to school, hah. Living in the city I met a lot of people, and not a lot of people at the same time, I had a pretty good job at a well-established restararaunt, and after a while took up a second job in the 'sales' field, which i liked very much. The first job payed most of my bills and the second gave me some 'comfort', you could say, in a not so comfortable world far from the one you love. This 'second job', I believe, is why whatever happened happened (motive). I was in a kind of 'contreversal' field, (for tptb anywho), had a pretty good life going if I hadn't 'died'. Anyway, I did that for a while, and around September of 2009, I believe, I ingested some hallucinogenic substance, which I'd done before a couple of times, not too often, and I had, not necessarily a bad trip, but after the trip it was like the world that I lived in had been turned inside out, outside in, backwards forwards, up down, left right, everywhichway to everywhichway. I felt like I was in a literal metaphysical mess, put simply. I felt like I was the inspiration for everything that had ever existed, did exist, and will exist, not big headed like, but scared, alone, and betrayed was how I felt, except sooooo much more, I can't even describe. Long story short, I destroyed the relationship with probably the only person that kept me 'human', along with many others, turning to an intense desire for death, and a bottomless pit of self loathing and pity to fuel my rage, and at the same time, curious as to exactly what was going on around me, what I was experiencing, INTENSE curiosity, followed by blind rage and misunderstanding much of the time. I did many things I will regret until the day I die, and many I still wonder about. As for the mind reading and all, I lived with a few people at that time, 3 other guys. Sometimes I would sit in my room, in silence, and think things, and I was so sure that they were somehow reading my thoughts. They would 'answer' me too, if that is possible, in their actions, or in their words to each other, or sometimes even directly/indirectly to me, it freaked the holy hell out of me. They watched me play video games on my computer, listened to me think in my head, watched me destroy my life, and laughed at me in the end, sad, broken, and a little #ed up in the head after all this. It was like everyone knew everything about me, everything anyone said was meant to be about me. I wanted to die, and just be free from this prison we call earth, I just wanted to be at peace, whether I was living or alive. The only reason I'm still alive is because I wanted to cause no (more) grief to my family, and I'm still pretty convinced that 'something' is going on, that I am not privy to know about. I know it sounds rather narcissistical, egotistical, whatever. But it's like I live in a world chock full of 'coincidences' (that I don't believe in).Alsohadsomewhiskey42helpmetalk

I've read the first half dozen and final page of this extremely thought provoking thread and just wanted to ask if anyone may think that this stuff may not be modern technology but rather inate human ability? Along the lines of us some of us being natural 'transmitters' while others are natural 'receivers'?

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I've considered the thought and while I currently have no proof to substantiate in wither direction I personally am more than leaning on the imposition of technology. Too many experiences and reactions to consider otherwise (at least for me; I understand that without something tangible that my opinion remain my opinion as perceived by others)...