The Secret-Positive Thinking Sucks, page 2

reply to post by TheBandit795

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While I agree that in principle, it makes sense, in the hands of many, it does become a victim-blaming strategy for people who have become severely ill, disabled, or have survived violent crime. The basic thought process goes: If The Secret or whatever works, then they must have been doing something wrong for those things to have happened to them, and therefore they must deserve it.

Maybe you don't feel that way (although your "take responsibility for your own life" indicates to me that you might), but a lot of people feel that way without something like The Secret or a belief in the Power of Positive Thinking.

reply to post by asilvahalo

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IMO the problem lies with the limiting beliefs the majority of us were forced to adopt when we were children. The majority of people will have those beliefs until they die. Causing the same situations to happen time and time again.

Let's say you're a 3-4 year old child and your parents are arguing, your father calls your mother "worthless". You as a child will not understand that he's talking to your mother and not to you. At that point you believe all communication going around you is about you. You take it to heart as a strong core belief, which will bring experiences to you throughout your life that will prove that you are indeed worthless. You will be in a deadbeat job for example with a boss who is constantly screaming at you how worthless you are. You will have an abusive spouse, you will develop a debilitating disease which will cause you to feel worthless.

Unless you are finally able to change your core belief about that situation, you will keep attracting into your reality the feeling that you are and forever will be worthless, and all evidences of that. That's how it works. With untrained people (like myself) their subconscious minds control their thoughts and actions. A simple reprogramming of their subconscious will cause them to have different thoughts, act in different ways to situations and create a different life.

To put it short. You have an operating system that is mostly programmed during your early childhood. This operating system is the main cause of your life. And to change your life you have to upgrade it. If you have Windows 98 in your subconscious, to experience a better life it has to be upgraded to Windows XP (forget Vista.. I hate Vista )

So I'm not saying that the victim has to be blamed for his or her fate. Far from that. What I'm saying is that the victim simply does not now that because of his/her beliefs he/she is attracting their own fate. You can only blame someone when they are doing something consciously IMO. They are not doing it consciously, their subconscious beliefs are the cause of it.

reply to post by jackinthebox

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People throw around new age like they knew what they were talking about but ask them where it came from and they have no clue at all. That is a whole other topic, for another time.

Well I don't usually mention any of those works myself. I refer to the four gospels, the method of prayer in private to be rewarded openly, the ask believe and receive, and the parable of the talents.

Some peoples talents have been canceled out through refusal to use them.

But Jackinthebox, this reply is specific to you. Look at your threads 'jacked up by the police' and read the descriptions of your actions. The broken window was an accident, but was it really? You had been involved in an ongoing feud for a while there.

To be more precise, you created by default. The settings were anger resentment and lack of care or respect for your fellow man. You harbored these feelings and believed to to point of action. You did indeed use the LOA but it was used by the default value of what you harbored inside. You indeed manifested a situation and set in motion the chain of events that lead to the broken window, accident or not.

Choose to create in the proper manner by changing you inside and harbor the proper feelings for your fellow man. You will be very surprised when you make the effort. Your headed down the dark side, and its a rapidly progressing spiral. Unload the attitude, and hate , jealousy and resentment and it will flip 180, but you have to give some time for all the bad that is already in motion to catch up so you can move past it.

What can you do with the law of attraction to fix your problem with the neighbors? You already had an event involving matter. (window) Buy them a vase of flowers and some sort of non edible utilitarian type of gift. Write a heartfelt apology on a card with your phone number and leave all on their doorstep. Possibly invite them for a beer if you have the brass ones to do so.
These are the people who become the greatest of allies in life when its all over. You are not so different from them, tell them so.


So to recap you do not feel it is working for you, but it is in fact working full force at your own default settings. Turn your knobs to a different setting and it will start working for you like it does for all these other folks with good reports. It works each time and every time without fail. Most however do not correlate what they did with what they got.

Best to you my friend. I hope this clicks and you understand.

reply to post by TheBandit795

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Dude... Seriously. What isn't dangerous brainwashing? Almost everything is, from your upbringing, to your tv etc... Have you ever thought of that?

Of course. I wouldn't be here on ATS if I hadn't.

Seriously though, I think this stuff is more dnagerous than most of the routine brainwashing. It is hitting the mainstream at a crucial point in the history of civilization and the development of Man's spirit. I was taken in by it at first, as were many members of my family. Now I am the only one out of all of them, to have cracked the psychosis to see the the more sinister aspects hidden behind a veil of hope, tranquility, happiness, etc.

So you'd rather do the blaming game, which is IMO a total waste of time and resources (although I still find myself doing exactly that sometimes, call me a hypocrite) than take full responsibility for your own life.

No man is an island. We all rely on eachother for something. And I resent it when people accuse me of "the blaming game" simply because I choose to have a voice and address the legitimate issues and problems that people face. Now I would agree that there are irresponsible people out there who should step up, but there are millions, even billions of people suffering each day through no fault of their own, but because of a select group of people who sit in a comfortable room making decisions on how they can retain their own wealth and power.

Uhm wrong... Remember the Golden rule of all of the ancient religions? Do unto others? Well when you help people you are showing that you have the means and the ways to help people, which will bring you in more situations in which you will be able to help more people. It's that simple. If you want money, give other people money. If you want help, give other people help. You want to be happy, make other people happy. etc...

Believe me, I am all for charity, and helping my fellow Man. That is exactly what broke me of this form of brainwashing. I forget who the guy was, but he was on Larry King one night talking about all this stuff. And he told a woman in the audience to let her friends and family to fall by the wayside. That she should not allow herself to be hindered by them. That they had to allow themselves to become "enlightened." So, as I said, divide and conquer.

reply to post by Illahee

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Look at your threads 'jacked up by the police' and read the descriptions of your actions. The broken window was an accident, but was it really? You had been involved in an ongoing feud for a while there.

Yes, it was really an accident. And I wouldn't call what was ongoing there as a "feud." So once again, I see the blame the victim mentality appear. Somehow it is my fault that I was violently attacked and beaten by people who are supposed to be the protectors of our community.

Buy them a vase of flowers and some sort of non edible utilitarian type of gift. Write a heartfelt apology on a card with your phone number and leave all on their doorstep. Possibly invite them for a beer if you have the brass ones to do so.

Let me add another detail to this case then, to highlight what sort of person I really am. Only days before this incident, I overheard the couple talking on their front porch at about two in the morning, when I went to take out a bag of trash. They were arguing a bit, because the man had to be to the hospital in the morning, having already been in the hospital for a few weeks. I don't know what ailed him, but I was concerned about the fact that they did not even have the money to buy the gasoline to get him there.

Now I am not a rich person by far. But I dug into my pocket, and gave them fifteen dollars to make sure that they could get to the hospital in the morning. Not because i was expecting something in return, or some good fortune to rain down on me, but because it was the right thing to do.

reply to post by mrwupy

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lol... yeah, what you said. Damn us artists, always wallowing around in our heads... makes communication difficult

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