Obama Still Loyal To His Church

A pastor does not a church make. This church has a rich history and a long tradition of inner city charity and many other good works. If he has found a community of faith, fellowship, tradition, and good works at this church, why should he throw that all away because of this "bad apple" pastor? I say the church should boot the pastor.

Originally posted by Sublime620
Do you know if he joined it as an adult or as a child?

He's been a member for 20 years.
That puts him in his mid 20s or so when he joined.

Originally posted by tyranny22
Can you substantiate this claim of Obama being a racist? Please don't refer to writings by Cone, or rantings from the Trinity United Church of Christ.

That's the whole point.

That 'church' oooooozes racism. It is based on the writings of Cone, which are pure racism. He sat in the pews for 20 years listening to it all. There are reports that he was in the pews, nodding his head like a bobblehead during the 'controversial' sermons. Anyone who isn't a racist wouldn't be able to stand sitting there .. they'd be sick to their stomachs and have to leave (like Oprah did). Obama picked a racist as his close mentor and advisor. Uncle Wright.

But you know all that.

It's the same as a politician belonging to the KKK. They may not publically say 'I hate black people, jews, and Catholics' .. but the organization they willfully belong to does. If they didnt' agree, they
wouldn't belong.

Same thing.

Originally posted by whatsup
why should he throw that all away because of this "bad apple" pastor? I say the church should boot the pastor.

But they loooooooooooooove him. They say he is just like Jesus. He's been crucified like Jesus. They are mad at Obama for denouncing him. And as I posted earlier ... (see the link) ... Otis Moss, the new pastor, is of the same mold.

- just because the Klan gives away food at the local church to white folks who need help doesn't excuse the rest of what they do.

- same with that 'church' of Obama's.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
There are reports that he was in the pews, nodding his head like a bobblehead during the 'controversial' sermons. Anyone who isn't a racist wouldn't be able to stand sitting there ..

More than likely, you're right ... about someone being able to sit there - not about Obama being racist. I'll leave the racist issue for others to take what they will from the information provided ... or not provided. What you've shown here is certainly strong circumstantial evidence, but definitely not hard enough evidence to label the senator a racist.

Anyway, I sit through Presbyterian sermons-a-plenty on a regular basis (and nod my head accordingly, when I feels it's appropriate), but I'm not a Christian. I attend Church to make my wife happy. I just wanted to throw out there that I'm sure I'm not the only person that does something they don't necessarily agree with to make their spouse happy. I'm not saying this is what Obama does. I would think that him being a member of said church would infer his belief in their doctrine.

If John McCain belonged to and supported a church with the following ten directives, what would you liberals have to say about him? It's a double standard in this country that Blacks can never be racist, only Whites can.

www.tucc.org...

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO THE ARYAN NATIONS OF EUROPE.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF WHITE PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

reply to post by Inceptor


Blah blah blah blah.

Liberals this, liberals that.

You wrote a lot of words that really said nothing at all. Congrats.

[edit on 12-5-2008 by Sublime620]

reply to post by Sublime620


How ironic that you accuse me of saying nothing, yet your post actually has far less substance! Let me say it in simpler language so that you might understand, and try to actually respond to my point this time instead of just talking around it.

If McCain belonged to a white-centrist church that had allegiances to the White race and Europe, what would you have to say about it?

reply to post by Inceptor


That sounds a lot better without the liberal rant!

Good job! You managed to get a sentence out without using partisan bias!

Originally posted by semperfortis
My only question here is this:
If Senator Obama is intending on running this country, do we need a leader that supports, actively or not, such divisive rhetoric?

This is a fair question, but I think not. This would be a guilt by association to the extreme and would liken saying that because we are members of ATS that we ALL support every conspiracy someones posts. Do you support the theory of chemtrails, or John Tittor? Do you support the theory that planet Niburu is coming to destroy us in 2012? Of course not... well OK, maybe you do.

It also says in the article...

The staff member likened these articles to commentary pieces in a newspaper, where the opinions expressed are those of the writers, not necessarily the church.
CNS News

These are someone else's opinions and unless he expressed something himself, it is not enough to alter my view of him. What I have heard from him is that he is someone who tries to bridge the differences between peoples of different backgrounds. Another way to look at it may be that this exposure may be good experience in understanding someone else with extreme views. If elected, he will no doubt have to deal with that. Part of the skill of negotiation is understanding the other person.

IMHO, as ugly as some of these views sound, there are people that believe them. These views come from a further underlying problem that they feel left behind, and in some cases it may be true.

So should we turn our backs against anyone with extreme views? If so, then you are only proving them right. Should we discount someone for being associated with someone with extreme views? If you do, then the problem is not with the that person.

I like Barack Obama, even though I think he needs more experience, but if he did get elected, that would show that this country truly is the land of opportunity.

reply to post by Sublime620


Yet, you still have no response. Nice.

reply to post by Inceptor


I've discussed this subject to no end on many different threads.

Feel free to search.

Thank goodness this forum has an ignore feature. You have the honor of being the first one added to my list.

reply to post by Inceptor


Just a side note here, brother, but I can't put 'denying ignorance' in the same category as an 'ignore list', if you catch my drift.

reply to post by semperfortis


Hey Semper, relax and learn to enjoy this historical moment. There are times in the affairs of men when new paradigms are on the cusp. You can stand idly by and be left behind to bewail your fate, or you can open your mind to new possibilities. Would you have agitated against Abraham Lincoln for "freeing the slaves" because you did not want those "hordes of uneducated blacks" to be a part of America? Would you have agitated against Martin Luther King Jr. for forcing the country to decide whether the Constitution should be applicable to all Americans? Obama promises peace and prosperity to all Americans without resorting to war! A new paradigm shift! Are you agitating against him for daring to hope for such a future? This is the latest of "historical moments". Are you going to stand by the sideline and cry for the corrupted past? America stands for Hope. It stands for Dreams. If you are so concerned about personal associations why are you still a Republican? Does that mean that you support bigotry? War mongering? Unbridled greed? Injustice against minorities? etc etc all of which you will find in the Republican Party. So are you going to cut your affiliations with that party? What about the good people that are still members of that party who are not bigots? Who are fair minded and honest? Are you going to cut them loose too? Wake up and get with the program. Peace and prosperity for all can be a good thing. If we fail as a country at least we tried!

reply to post by Ameneter


Huh. It is certainly true the Republican party has changed drastically as of late.

One of my best friends is a proud republican, and I would have been too, but like I said, it has changed with GWB.

Would you roll over on your church?

Would you vote for someone who did?

He's a standup guy, and like it or not we all come from a community.

And like it or not to have connections in a community, you must associate with it.

He picked the biggest church in Chicago. For crying out loud, where did you want him to go? Don't you get it, by attacking his church his enemys are using a subversive brand of racism.

McCains pastor wants him to declair war on Islam!
And McCain Agrees!

Do you want to be the one who escortes your Islamic neighbors from your town to the detention camp?

That's who the camps are for! DUH!

reply to post by Ameneter


Yea because the Democrats don't have long a long history of bigotry, slavery, war-mongering, and corruption right?


Ever thought that it might be possible that a black candidate might actually be a racist himself along with being unqualified? I guess its ok for the Democrats though, the party of Mr KKK himself Robert Byrd.

Now why would a person remain a member in an obviously racist church unless he was racist himself?

Did he go because there were no other churches around? Yea right there has got to be 400000 different Christian Churches, and there has got to be at least 6-7 different Churches in the area that don't preach racism.

Did he go because his wife made him? Yea thats great, America just needs a racist first-lady.

I hate to say it but Obama's 20 year membership in his little church is a very important issue. This is part of his life. Personally, I want to know about the life and associations of a person wants to achieve the power of the presidency.

So here is the choice: A guy with corrupt and racist associations, a guy that probably has torture-induced mental instability, or a lying ninny lady (with corrupt associations).

Originally posted by topsecretombomb
I think its funny how they talk about the claims the Reveren made but they dont talk about the origins of his beliefs towards the fact that AIDS was created in a laboratory.

In my opinion, just mentioning what hes saying and not getting into the basis of why he says it is disinfo. Gotta love our brainwashing media!

I'm with you on this one - to be honest I agreed with pastor wright's remarks - didn't take offense at all....this particular government is not only capable, but willing skilled, and experienced....Gulf of tonkin comes to mind, Tuskeegee medical experiments on Black citizens, 2.1 million people in prison, not to mention all the murdering dictators America has backed all over the world to maintain American corporate "interests" - Pinochet, Salazar, Somosa, Pol Pot, Chaing Kai-shek, Ian Smith, Duvalier , Idi Amin, Noriega, Franco,
and thats just a partial list......when you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas....do your damn homework.

and lets add the assassinations of every powerful black leader that stepped up to the plate - Medgar Evers, MLK, Malcolm X, Fred Hampton -

oh I'm sorry...is that too devisive for you folks who want to whitewash history and forget about it???

I don't find it devisive to face the truth before we trample it under a veneer of BS......I find it liberating to face our sharedhistory no matter how painful....nothing heals until its revealed, understood and acknowledged...the trashing of pastor wright by passionless political correctness raises my blond eyebrow....and my blood pressure

In fact I wrote to Obama to suggest that he let the matter drop cause the more he disagreed with Pastor Wright the more I wondered about his politics but then I realized - oh yeah...it IS politics after all....and as Jack Nicholson once said " You want the truth??? You can't handle the truth!!"

and one more thing - Partisan bias??? LOL - if you don't have a partisan bias then you're a complete idiot....when people are murdered, oppressed and imprisoned, for pursuing their right to life, liberty, and happiness then there is no "objective neutral la-la land to run to...
Ta
relashanti






[edit on 13-5-2008 by realshanti]

[edit on 13-5-2008 by realshanti]

If you agree with Pastor Wright, then you're agreeing with a racist. His comments are offensive to white people, and if you think that this isn't going to have an effect on the general election come November, you're living in a dream world.

Go to the church in question's website and look at their ten-point mission statement. Substitute white for black, and Europe for Africa then you come back here and tell me you don't think it's racist.

[edit on 13-5-2008 by Inceptor]

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