A pastor does not a church make. This church has a rich history and a long tradition of inner city charity and many other good works. If he has found a community of faith, fellowship, tradition, and good works at this church, why should he throw that all away because of this "bad apple" pastor? I say the church should boot the pastor.

Originally posted by Sublime620
Do you know if he joined it as an adult or as a child?

He's been a member for 20 years.
That puts him in his mid 20s or so when he joined.

Originally posted by tyranny22
Can you substantiate this claim of Obama being a racist? Please don't refer to writings by Cone, or rantings from the Trinity United Church of Christ.

That's the whole point.

That 'church' oooooozes racism. It is based on the writings of Cone, which are pure racism. He sat in the pews for 20 years listening to it all. There are reports that he was in the pews, nodding his head like a bobblehead during the 'controversial' sermons. Anyone who isn't a racist wouldn't be able to stand sitting there .. they'd be sick to their stomachs and have to leave (like Oprah did). Obama picked a racist as his close mentor and advisor. Uncle Wright.

But you know all that.

It's the same as a politician belonging to the KKK. They may not publically say 'I hate black people, jews, and Catholics' .. but the organization they willfully belong to does. If they didnt' agree, they
wouldn't belong.

Same thing.

Originally posted by whatsup
why should he throw that all away because of this "bad apple" pastor? I say the church should boot the pastor.

But they loooooooooooooove him. They say he is just like Jesus. He's been crucified like Jesus. They are mad at Obama for denouncing him. And as I posted earlier ... (see the link) ... Otis Moss, the new pastor, is of the same mold.

- just because the Klan gives away food at the local church to white folks who need help doesn't excuse the rest of what they do.

- same with that 'church' of Obama's.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
There are reports that he was in the pews, nodding his head like a bobblehead during the 'controversial' sermons. Anyone who isn't a racist wouldn't be able to stand sitting there ..

More than likely, you're right ... about someone being able to sit there - not about Obama being racist. I'll leave the racist issue for others to take what they will from the information provided ... or not provided. What you've shown here is certainly strong circumstantial evidence, but definitely not hard enough evidence to label the senator a racist.

Anyway, I sit through Presbyterian sermons-a-plenty on a regular basis (and nod my head accordingly, when I feels it's appropriate), but I'm not a Christian. I attend Church to make my wife happy. I just wanted to throw out there that I'm sure I'm not the only person that does something they don't necessarily agree with to make their spouse happy. I'm not saying this is what Obama does. I would think that him being a member of said church would infer his belief in their doctrine.

Thank goodness this forum has an ignore feature. You have the honor of being the first one added to my list.

Would you roll over on your church?

Would you vote for someone who did?

He's a standup guy, and like it or not we all come from a community.

And like it or not to have connections in a community, you must associate with it.

He picked the biggest church in Chicago. For crying out loud, where did you want him to go? Don't you get it, by attacking his church his enemys are using a subversive brand of racism.

McCains pastor wants him to declair war on Islam!
And McCain Agrees!

Do you want to be the one who escortes your Islamic neighbors from your town to the detention camp?

That's who the camps are for! DUH!

Originally posted by topsecretombomb
I think its funny how they talk about the claims the Reveren made but they dont talk about the origins of his beliefs towards the fact that AIDS was created in a laboratory.

In my opinion, just mentioning what hes saying and not getting into the basis of why he says it is disinfo. Gotta love our brainwashing media!

I'm with you on this one - to be honest I agreed with pastor wright's remarks - didn't take offense at all....this particular government is not only capable, but willing skilled, and experienced....Gulf of tonkin comes to mind, Tuskeegee medical experiments on Black citizens, 2.1 million people in prison, not to mention all the murdering dictators America has backed all over the world to maintain American corporate "interests" - Pinochet, Salazar, Somosa, Pol Pot, Chaing Kai-shek, Ian Smith, Duvalier , Idi Amin, Noriega, Franco,
and thats just a partial list......when you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas....do your damn homework.

and lets add the assassinations of every powerful black leader that stepped up to the plate - Medgar Evers, MLK, Malcolm X, Fred Hampton -

oh I'm sorry...is that too devisive for you folks who want to whitewash history and forget about it???

I don't find it devisive to face the truth before we trample it under a veneer of BS......I find it liberating to face our sharedhistory no matter how painful....nothing heals until its revealed, understood and acknowledged...the trashing of pastor wright by passionless political correctness raises my blond eyebrow....and my blood pressure

In fact I wrote to Obama to suggest that he let the matter drop cause the more he disagreed with Pastor Wright the more I wondered about his politics but then I realized - oh yeah...it IS politics after all....and as Jack Nicholson once said " You want the truth??? You can't handle the truth!!"

and one more thing - Partisan bias??? LOL - if you don't have a partisan bias then you're a complete idiot....when people are murdered, oppressed and imprisoned, for pursuing their right to life, liberty, and happiness then there is no "objective neutral la-la land to run to...
Ta
relashanti






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If you agree with Pastor Wright, then you're agreeing with a racist. His comments are offensive to white people, and if you think that this isn't going to have an effect on the general election come November, you're living in a dream world.

Go to the church in question's website and look at their ten-point mission statement. Substitute white for black, and Europe for Africa then you come back here and tell me you don't think it's racist.

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