The powerful white light God is Evil

reply to post by Siren

1) Noah looked totally different than his siblings which could mean that aliens (devils) tampered with his DNA for their purpose to overthrow the human (hu-man-“Y”) race, that is true earth beings. He was so different that his father thought he was a devil and wanted to kill him, but, angels intervened. Puzzling isn’t it.

I researched this as well. What I discovered might interest you. I believe ancient history indicates 2 groups were saved from the flood. Noah and his human lineage AND what some came to believe was Noah, but was actually the Nephilim King of Sumer. When you read the two accounts of the flood, you have the mainstream version which discusses what some believe and have believed in the past, is the equivalent of the biblical Noah, but in fact, is not. It's a hybridized story where both groups were meshed together in the mainstream version (probably in an effort to keep the peace and restore order). In the biblical version, which was essentially an oral history, there's no meshing - it's straight up telling what happened to the remaining humans.

In fact, this should fit in quite nicely with this entire topic. The Nephilim were the hybrids created by the "Anunnaki". The Anunnaki were the "fallen" sons of God who tinkered with humans, creating "monsters" and hybrids of various appearance and description. What the ancient texts call giants, I believe were not necessarily always gigantic, but modified, animorphed, chimeras. Where the problem seems to arise is these chimeras were not healthy for the planet, in fact, they nearly destroyed all life on it, and most specifically, human life. We were on the brink of being snuffed out as a species, forever.

It's a very interesting topic and points to the need for further research, specifically on the topic of how the rest of the universe functions as regards life forms. For example, many of the angelic beings referred to in scripture, are quite unusual. One is covered with eyes, all over "his" body. Another has four heads. Another looks like a shining, bipedal "reptile". Etc. Even the sumerian artforms depict beings that were here before humans were, that are not human. Bipedal, yes, holographic, stereoscopic, somewhat mammalian but not homo sapiens.

Anyway, back to the topic of Noah and the Nephilim King. These two individuals have been confused by modern day scholars and even some of the more ancient scholars, as the dividing line of the flood itself, wiped out pertinent information regarding prior events. The only way to tell them apart, is to consider the descriptions.

Noah and the other humans were "slaves." Their stories were maintained for generations as oral histories. The mainsteam versions of that same history, tell it almost entirely from the perspective of the power brokers of that time,which were definitely not humans.

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The islamic way of looking at Satan is very different from the christian perspective. There are even islamic sects which consider Satan to be the perfect muslim because he only listens to god and not to humans like the average angel.

Originally posted by Vimes
A dominant theme in dualistic Satanic literature is the feeling that God and Satan are not what they appear to be. There is a strong belief in nearly all Satanic thought (except Evil Satan As Victor as above) that if Satan is real, then he is also not what White Light religions make him out to be.
Satan therefore represents a struggle against tyranny and a fight against the brainwashed masses and the unthinking, cruel and punishing hordes of mankind that follow the Right Hand Path: The bloody path of God worship. God, as a powerful White-Light force, has tricked and deluded mankind into accepting its gospel truth, and to put it simply: The majority of mankind are too stupid, fearful, weak and sheep-like to ever realize that they are following the wrong god.

God can only use below the belt tactics to spread lies and corruption, spreading his monotheistic religions that have been the center of bloodshed and evil and using all his powers to trick humanity. However... such tricks only work on the sheep, the mindless hordes. Nevertheless, those who represent truth, the oppressed and alien elite, either face a life of being hidden outcasts and secret aliens in society, or face a difficult struggle against the foolish herds of man.

Your right Lucifer is evil, he wants us to think he is God by creating us . The true God is love who has plans for his people.

Lucifer who created us through a manipulation of the God of love, he thinks he is God by creating us. The true God is love, who is planning the ultimate love for us in the future, i'll say that once again. He will show us the way someday. However he may guide us through his Son untill the time is near. You already know what im talking about.

However considering from your posts you seem to curse God. I dont blame you, i hate the world aswell as its full of confusion from the truth we want it to be about God, but I willnot curse God. Once you learn that God is true Love, by loving your self and love thos who curse you, wich is very hard for us to do, you will find God through unconditional love to yourself and others. To hate the world is ok.


You just show you want attention as something is bothering you about God. Wich is ok, remember that the positive is the way to go!

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reply to post by Vimes


I would like to bring a different perspective to all of this.

Bringing the Bible and its contents into a debate radically alters a debate, especially if a debater is going off of popular misconception and not knowledgeable in the contents of the Bible.

A better argument would of been to leave the Bible out of it and go for a Maltheistic argument.

Since the Bible was brought into the argument though, well I have to point out errors and misconceptions .

One: The Bible is not Dualistic. Satan in the Jewish/Hebrew Testament is not a Rebel or Counter being. Satan is portrayed as a servant and submissive to the Divine. Its not until the Christian Testament that Satan's role appears to change. In the Book of Revelations a seven headed dragon is called Satan and is portrayed as a rebel or rebellion. If any of the other symbolism is indicators of the authors intent, then this Dragon is not singular but actually a system or host of beings.

Two: Satan in the Hebrew Testament and the Christian Testament is no friend of humanity. In fact the Book of Daniel implies that only Michael and Gabriel are the only Celestials who care about humans and the others either hate and/or have cold apathy towards humans. Satan from his portrayal in the Books of Zechariah and Job seems to have contempt for humanity.

Three: The Divine in the Hebrew Testament is not a "White Light Force".
Biblically the Divine is portrayed as creating Light and Dwelling in Darkness.

1 Kings 8:12 "Then spake Solomon, The Lord said that He would dwell in the thick darkness."

This thick darkness is not simply the absence of light. It devours light and can be felt as it did when it descended upon Egypt as the 9th Plague in the Book of Exodus.

In the Book of Exodus, the Divine's presence on Sinai is discribed as being enveloped in massive Black clouds, thunder, lightning, and fire.

Something like this:


and this:


Even outside of the Bible the argument falls apart.

Humans are the ones responsible for the vast majority of our own suffering.

The greatest conflict related death tolls in human history were fought not in the name of a god, but in the names of Ideologies, like Communism and National Socialism.

The Three greatest butchers: Mao, Stalin, and Hitler. Not one of them fought in the name of any god or faith. Combined they were responsible for more death than almost the number of people alive on Earth around the time when many of the books of the Bible were written. In fact they killed more people than the Black Plague, which is the worst Natural disaster in recorded human history.

So one could even say Humanity has tricked and deluded itself. We imagine that we are these innocent victims when in fact we are our own greatest murderers.

We are infintesimal in contrast to the universe. Yet we cry out in hubris, "look at me, I'm special." We create subjective mythologies to make sense of the cosmos from our own deluded point of view. We ascribe the concepts of death and pain great importance, but they are as natural as the wind. We base our deluded belief of good and evil on what makes us cry or makes us go away, when the reality is that death and pain are just an even more infintesimal aspect of our subjective point of view.

In the end, we are here with our subjective delusions and the cosmos is a vast and terrible place. We can imagine we are special. We can get tatoos from the covers of Avon mass market paperback books. We can seek attention but in the end we are still human, still on earth, and subject to pain and death especially at the hands of our own species.

In the end we are all kindergarden children arguing about quantum physics. We just don't have the perspective and experience to be able to understand much about God, Satin, the meaning of reality, or even what reality really is.

Basing your entire life on what mistranslated old books say, or flat out atheism, are both belief systems where you have tunnel vision, and the arrogance to think you know that which is unknowable.

reply to post by MikeboydUS

Biblically the Divine is portrayed as creating Light and Dwelling in Darkness.

My understanding is that the darkness is the peniel (located in the head)which sits in darkness, yet, causes the mind to comprehend quickly (light up).

Noah and his human lineage AND what some came to believe was Noah, but was actually the Nephilim King of Sumer.

This may be true, but, the name of their fathers would be different.

The Nephilim were the hybrids created by the "Anunnaki". The Anunnaki were the "fallen" sons of God who tinkered with humans, creating "monsters" and hybrids of various appearance and description.

Lamech thought that the Watchers had fathered Noah. This is also strange because Lamech and the Watchers were buddy buddy.

We were on the brink of being snuffed out as a species, forever.

I think that scenario is replaying now.

So, who are the controllers the decendants of?

Do you realise how ridiculous it is to believe that we inherit our father's sins?

You inherit your father’s DNA and his ways.

It comes down to who's book is right.

What one does is what one believes.

reply to post by MikeboydUS


Good post. I starred you.

So one could even say Humanity has tricked and deluded itself. We imagine that we are these innocent victims when in fact we are our own greatest murderers.

And would like to play the victim and blame all on God! If we can shift the blame, we feel less accountable. We are often - self-made martyrs.

If we want to believe that God loves us all, and then we question why he allows what he allows, we can then shift our anger on to him. When perhaps we are incorrect in the first place.

reply to post by Siren

My understanding is that the darkness is the peniel (located in the head)which sits in darkness, yet, causes the mind to comprehend quickly (light up).

Yes, I too look at darkness related to God in a figurative sense. He "is" light. So the darkness can relate to his mood or inclinations. As in the stormy pics above.

I am partial to the thought that good and evil are human thought constructs anyway as you do not see good and evil in nature.


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reply to post by MatrixProphet

Yes, I too look at darkness related to God in a figurative sense.

My statement was literal.

The peniel (pineal) gland, a small organ located at the base of the brain.

For thousands of years and at the expense of every human being that has been baptized in the Doctrine of Deception, the few have hidden the Truth of the Divine from mankind as it truly is. Everything that is now being taught by the 3 main religions of the world have been taken from facts told thousands of years before them. Everything that mankind has the Divine potential to become was removed in order to keep them weak. The Truth, replaced with lies, strength replaced by weakness backed by fear of an eternal torment from a “loving father”. "The only way to be free is to be my slave" says their master.

I say... without the Darkness, the Light cannot be seen. It is in the Darkness that the Light receives it's luster.

Everything that is written in the texts of today’s faiths have been taken from a far older and scientifically superior text. The Truth is coming without fear and it will be reestablished in spite of those who profess their faith while they kill each other in the most ingenious of ways. The people who believe these things have been indoctrinated to believe it, by those who have also been indoctrinated. Lies mixed with truth, backed by terror of eternal suffering is a powerful tool indeed, but for some, not nearly powerful enough.


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reply to post by ForceMaster


It's the nature of the ....or rather, the hierarchy of the universe, that you WILL serve someone, whether you know it, like it or agree with it in full knowledge. You have the option to choose but the choices are not unlimited.

reply to post by Vimes


One of the many things which have resulted in the suffering of this world is the ability of humanity to excercise free will. God does not want robots, he wants people to choose that which is good because they want to.

Examples:

Nazi's - They were not followers of God, and they made the choice to decimate millions of Jews, and that huge number they always throw about does not include everyone else the Nazi regime killed. God does not force people to do the right thing, they are given the choice to do what is right ot wrong.

You will find that there are no more worse people in a monothesist religion than in any other. Its all individual choice. It has nothing to do with God. And people who do bad things always answer for their actions.

Originally posted by Lannock


[My family is Anglican and you may attack or challenge my beliefs. It won't do you any good

. ]

Thank you, although i have to admit that i had to look up Anglican as i have never heard of it before. Found out it is the Catholic church of England.

I have no need or desire to attack or challenge you or your beliefs. I am not here to say your beliefs are wrong and mine are right. My beliefs are right for me, as your beliefs are right for you. I am just here to try and understand other peoples perspectives.

[I certainly don't hate Christians as that would mean I would hate my entire family

. My obvious problem with Christianity is that they believe that the Bible is the Word of God and I believe otherwise. ]

I can't speak for other Christians, except to say that not all Christians have the same beliefs. As for myself i have some problems with the bible.

[Lets play around with words. Let's pretend you never heard about God, the devil, etc and someone tells you the following:
1. God either killed millions himself or ordered their deaths.
2. He is responsible/accountable for thousands of other atrocities (which you can find all over the Old Testament).
2. God wants man to remain ignorant (don't eat from that tree).
3. The Devil wants man to gain knowledge, by deceptive means, but still, he wants man to be as knowledgable as "The Gods".]

I'm sorry but i can't play this word game with you as you speak of God killing people, yet you neglect to speak of the devil killing people, which he has. You also speak of the devil wanting us to be as knowledgable as the Gods, but you paint a biased picture, as if his intentions for that are well meaning toward us.

[Then you tell us who is the "good guy" and who is the "bad guy".]

As i stated earlier i am not trying to say you are wrong or i am right, someone is bad, someone is good. I am just trying to get a better understanding of other peoples beliefs.

Again Thank you for responding to me in a polite and civil manner, it is much appreciated.

Oh btw i'm not a sir

I find it humourous that with all the factual historical record about all the various gods of the past that people in our time are duped to believe that there is one god. Religion has become a twisted vision of its former self, and that today there exists a plethora of religions that have their own god. So taking that into account, why and how does one say their god is the real god? It is because most whom believe in their god are blinded by what they call faith. Twisted is that belief, and if you actually read the bible, to koran, and other books of "faith" instead of having someone interpret it for you, you would see that god did not write it, god did not edit it, god did not sit around a table and argue about what goes in and what stays out...

Ancient history tells us that religion was a state of science, whereby those initiated were to be the ones to pass down the knowledge of the stars. The god of the bible, twisted by man, has been used by those in power to control the masses.

It is amazing how many people in this country, whom state they believe in god, have never read the bible but go on what they have been told.

WAKE UP PEOPLE... READ THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF! You will see that god is not what you have been told.

reply to post by Vimes


There is no such thing "knowable" (epistemology) as a God with capital "G", who "made everything"; since that is the same error as thinking you could know what was past the end of "infinity". if u say x made y, then who made x ? etc, ad nauseam. the christians are simpletons / idiots. their "faith" is primarily an attempt to brandish the jews egos against the arabs egos - or against anyone they dont like ! typical theo-illogicality.

however a category of god(s) with small "g" >could< exist as "aliens", and the sumerian ape-shaggers who came from nibiru is a possibility to explain human chaos. there >is< a small percentage of goodness (a much better / safer word to use) in the cosmos, but it struggles against the evil male gods, just as we do on earth. people who support goodness are ok, but people who babble about their gods are more likely to attract demonaic forces. so beware, god not = good !! master Kaman.

God, like crack, kills. There is no doubt about it. It happens every day, night, week, month, year.

For those simple minds who need to be reminded of Gods policies.

Look up the flood epic, or moses killing for God, or religious morons killing infidels, family, neighbors. All in the name of God. And this God refuses to intervene. So it must want chaos, pain and suffering, death and destruction.

"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

At the customary time for offering the evening sacrifice, Elijah the prophet walked up to the altar and prayed, "O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, prove today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant. Prove that I have done all this at your command. O LORD, answer me! Answer me so these people will know that you, O LORD, are God and that you have brought them back to yourself." Immediately the fire of the LORD flashed down from heaven and burned up the young bull, the wood, the stones, and the dust. It even licked up all the water in the ditch! And when the people saw it, they fell on their faces and cried out, "The LORD is God! The LORD is God!" Then Elijah commanded, "Seize all the prophets of Baal. Don't let a single one escape!" So the people seized them all, and Elijah took them down to the Kishon Valley and killed them there. (1 Kings 18:36-40 NLT)

The LORD issued the following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel." So Moses ordered Israel's judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)

That night the angel of the Lord went forth and struck down one hundred and eighty five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. Early the next morning, there they were, all the corpuses of the dead. (2 Kings 19:35 NAB)

reply to post by Vimes


I wish to clarify the confusion, for all of those still mystified by old wifes' tales... Satanic cults are silly mis-representations of the silly Churches they profess to be the anti-theisms of... first mistake of Satanists is that you MUST already believe in the Church, and its own propaganda -- which is based on lies, before you can declare yourself a "freedom-fighter" against the totalitarianism of the cloth...

if you like dancing in the dark...just enjoy the music, and the warm bodies...

if you choose to believe in an eternal and universal God, then you recognize that "good and evil" are the two sides of our own nature -- not His/Hers... we choose to conduct ourselves as good citizens, and give praise to the good aspect of God (thank God we won the Super Bowl)... and, WE choose to conduct ourselves as selfish, self-centered, ego-centric, domineering, demeaning dimwits, and give praise to a negative aspect of God, so we don't have to accept blame for ourselves (the Devil made me do it)...

if being a Satanist gets you special dates... go for it... just don't smoke on the rest of us, pretending you have any insight or enlightenment granted to the clumsy who stumble around in the dark, bruising their shins and souls -- declaring great nonsense... for that...

get a job -- run for Congress!

reply to post by Siren

My statement was literal.

The peniel (pineal) gland, a small organ located at the base of the brain.

Yes, I understood that. But since God is not human the literal application would not apply, hence, the figurative.