Hahaha, thanks for giving everyone another link to my book. I didn't even put that link up on Scribd. Somebody read it and put it up there for me. As I've already said, I am Eric Dubay, the author of The Atlantean Conspiracy and I'm simply quoting myself or other researchers. When I quote other's work I usually provide authors, titles, and page numbers. Another link to my book is in my signature.

Originally posted by TheComte
In my reading I have come to the conclusion that the true secret of freemasonry is lost. It was lost because the sole keepers of the secret, an Egyptian pharoah and his high priests, were murdered. This murder became the legend/myth of Hiram Abiff.
The secret was the specifics of a king-making ritual, performed to bestow immortality upon the pharoah. When the keepers of the secret refused to divulge it to the Hyksos conquerors of Egypt, they were killed. Since that time, the exact ritual is lost. The rituals of Freemasonry, as well as all Judeo-Christian religions, attempt to duplicate this ancient Egyptian king-making ritual.

[edit on 30-4-2008 by TheComte]

That's a very interesting idea, and I wish you would make a new thread so it could be explored without all the noise in this one.

Im just going to throw this out there, Im not a mason, just an observer.

A mason said the secret is there is no secret. I bet thats true. I think Freemasons just want to make sure you are pure at heart and understand the whole, to the degree that partaking in rituals, is not satanic or evil.
So, the secret is, they probably just practice an older version of spirituality, this does not AT ALL make it evil, in fact, all the masons I have met and know are wonderful people who do a lot of charity work and would give you the shirt off of their backs.

If there is an evil element to it, its not Freemason, and its a sub secret society that is using freemasonry as a guise to do whatever.


Also, with the term illuminatti, it ONLY means enlightened ones, enlightened people are not evil. if they are, then they are not enlightened.

Im sorry, but you dont join an organization that talks about positive things, to end up later on justifying child rape by the same organization.

I may be wrong, but I dont know yet, I plan on joining the masons myself because I am SURE they are not evil.

Just wanted to comment on the Racism.
I did not feel like wading through the last 4 pages.

In my Lodge which is a mainstream Blue Lodge. We have Brothers who are not white. A couple who are black and one who is Japanese.

When I was made a Mason. The Master of the Lodge was black. Nice guy kinda quiet but a very good Master Mason.

Unfortunately there are still Racists among the Masons. As there are everywhere. Believe it or not the issues with Prince Hall are more on their side and are more financial according to what I have read and researched on the subject. I know several White men who are Prince Hall Masons. They are also Doctors and a couple of Lawyers. Money being the motivator somehow.

Just figured I would relate some of this.

Originally posted by psychedeliack


I may be wrong, but I dont know yet, I plan on joining the masons myself because I am SURE they are not evil.

Romans 2:12

"In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."

There will be no excuses.

[edit on 30-4-2008 by cutbothways]

Originally posted by Cosmocow


I thought i just saw a show on the history channel showing the Mason's connection to the underground railroad? It was actually a pretty interesting show to say the least.

I saw that one too, very informative. However, instead of being honest about history, such as the Masons participation underground railroad, our critics here will instead try to link us with the KKK, and a secret Martian plot to overthrow the government.

There's one in every crowd.

Originally posted by yeahright
So what if someone wanted to start a club for men to fraternize and work on self-improvement and maybe do a little charity work?

Sorry, but your buddies were part of the forming of the United States, and many Presidents and high level officials meet in secrecy without the rest of the people knowing whats going on.

It's sorta like, city council have a city council meeting, and then all the council members meet at a bar to make the "after hours" deals.

It never ceases to amaze me how people blow this off as unimportant.

These people formed and control our country.

Yes, it is a big deal. So stop trying to belittle our arguments.

You do study Pike, Crowley, and others. So saying you don't, is and
outright lie, and those that wish to research even a little, can find that
out pretty easily.

Mason's are on the losing side, trust me.

this thread is... interesting...

Let me get the gist of it...

Members only + blocked windows + Krispy Kreme + Alester Crowley = OMG! Masons are out to rule the world, in sinister and evil ways! OMG OMG OMG!

And then when anyone offers up a rebuttal to these outlandish claims, they are either:

A) paid disinfo agents
B) the same person using many different names
C) just another "low level" mason sticking up for the cult
D) the devil incarnate

what about people that simply disagree because they know the difference between wild speculation and historical documentation? But I guess every single historian was also a mason, which is the only logical explanation...

[edit on 30-4-2008 by scientist]

Originally posted by cutbothways

Originally posted by yeahright
So what if someone wanted to start a club for men to fraternize and work on self-improvement and maybe do a little charity work?

Sorry, but your buddies were part of the forming of the United States, and many Presidents and high level officials meet in secrecy without the rest of the people knowing whats going on.

right, and we all saw how horribly those evil united states turned out under rule of the masons... stupid declaration of independence, boston tea party, bill of rights, etc. Truly taken straight from the pages of Revelations...