reply to post by TheComte
This would of course assume that Freemasonry can be dated to the Egyptian Kingdom, which it cannot.
It can be speculated that it could, by looking at symbols and our rituals however I feel there is a good explanation for this.
Not much is known of Masonry prior to the mid to late 1600's. As far as we know it was a clandestine group of Free individuals (religion not
mattering) that operated no different then a guild. It may have even of been an operative Mason guild that turned into a social club.
The time in which Freemasonry was officially declared a Public Organization, it was during a time of European conquest and imperialistic expansions.
As Europe expanded into Africa, especially North Africa there was an Egyptian craze..
People brought obelisks and statues and symbols because it was fashionable.. nothing sinister, just fashionable. This likely contributed to Masonry
adapting more and more Egyptian type symbolism. I would say that it is unlikely that all the symbols we use to day are "original" in the sense they
have always been used, aside from Mason symbology like the Square & Compass.
There are some who speculate it went back to Egypt, but Guilds had not been formed yet and it just holds no ground. There is less evidence for this
theory then there are for a Templar relationship to be defined, which is not saying much at all.
They also keep the secrets of ancient ley lines and continue building along them. For instance the cities of Boston, New York, Philadelphia,
Baltimore, and Washington D.C. are all on a perfect diagonal that continues down to Teohitican and all the way up to Stonehenge, Troy, and Baalbak.
London to Giza and Paris to Dendera are almost equidistant parallel lines as well. This geomantic knowledge was understood and kept hidden by ancient
builders/Masons and remains that way today.
I know of only one account which is true that a building, or a series of buildings where built on a Ley Line, and whether that is on purpose or not I
cannot speculate, but it happens to be the Israeli Supreme Court building. Which is an unusual building indeed, if your into mysteries like this.
But our older cities where built for practicability, not ley line or anything like that. DC was designed to be intimidating to foreigners who came to
see us, so streets where aligned in a way to give DC a "bigger then life" appeal, a different flow of energy.
Even still, it is unlikely or illogical to assume every great city happened to be designed by "satanic" occultist.
The Masons are very familiar with astrology, astronomy and astrotheology. They align all important commemorations, dedications, declarations,
ground-breakings, grand-openings, and other events to coincide with astrological phenomena.
That is false.
Ok, cue mason/agent to come "debunk" me.
I would appreciate it if you cited your sources so that I could get an understanding of where you are getting this information. I don't entirely
debunk you, but the source it's self probably would.. as the vast majority doesn't even have an ounce of Masonic representation with facts.
Those at the top (30 to 33 degree) are privy to the highest esoteric rituals.
Not true, the Scottish Rite (which is American) holds plays as their rituals. They are parables, most from the bible to give meaning.. Some of the
plays are ever changing, not based on old symbology but instead off recent events like Vietnam or WWII .. to better relate to Masons instead of
The 33 is an honorary degree, you do not need wealth (imo donating does help
) to be a 33rd and thus they are not power dealers of the world. Most
in my area are retired Air Force..
Anyways, the Esoteric side of Masonry is not explained to new Members, at any time, nor to old members. If you are interested in that aspect of
Masonry you must discover it on your own, on our own time, through your own research. Unless there are like minded individuals in your lodge.
I personally don't find it all that interesting. That does not mean I don't understand Freemasonry, because it is essentially interpretable to your
own thought process. Essentially if you have a symbol, and you believe it means something .. then it is regardless of what it means to someone else,
because it is interpretable and does not alter its meaning from your own consciousness. That means we cannot worship evil deities and not know it..
as that goes against all logic and understanding of how worship works.
referred to as cattle
The hierarchy of Masonry is this:
Then it ends. Most Masons take 6 months to get all three, depending on the Lodge's schedule. Some do it in one day. The Scottish Rite is an
appendant body, and holds no authority over ANY Blue Lodge, as the Blue Lodge is the highest. The York Rite in many places has more power then the
Scottish Rite, they have degrees that are just as "important" as a 33rd.
Then there is the Shrine, which one USED to have to be a 32 degree to get into, so if we went by "numbers" the Shrine would have been one of the
highest. But it's not.
Essentially a persons level of "importance" is not judge by how many degrees he has, but rather how much time he puts into Masonry. Naturally he
will have more degrees being more active. My current WM is not even in the Scottish Rite, never found it interesting I guess, however he heads our
local York Rite body and the Eastern Star. The York Riters and the Scottish Riters are sometimes indifferent, each thinking the other thinks them
selves more important.
The entire notion that the Scottish Rite for one reason or another is "better" or more important is simply because it uses numbers to identify the
degrees. However, no one ever gets 32 degrees before becoming a 32nd. Numbers mean nothing in the Scottish Rite, so long as you have the required
ones (4-7-14-19-30-31-32) if I am not mistaken.. its been a while.
This is because in our society it is ingrained in our minds numbers must mean higher importance.. you ascend up from 4-33 so 12 is higher then 11..
even though I can get 12 before 11. In fact, I don't even have the 15th degree for example yet I am a 32nd.