Originally posted by jaamaan
What i like to point out is that in the past only the elite seemed to have to power to have their work published.

May have seemed that way to you, but certainly not the case. I recently had the honor of meeting Chinese photographer Lu Nan who managed to self-publish three books, one each on Catholicism in China, the state of psychiatric treatment in China, and the peasant's conditions in Tibet, all while living under the Communist Chinese government. It was inspiring to me to see someone so dedicated to his work that he managed to scrape together funds and find people willing to print it entirely on his own and outside of official channels. All this while the only photography most people were seeing (or doing) in China was state-sponsored propaganda.

But we're getting off topic.

I hate people who abuse Satanic ritual too. Knowing how Masons work, if there was some sort of Satanic ritual happening, there would probably be one old-timer in the corner clearing his throat and correcting all the other brothers who missed one word, or weren't standing in the right place.

I find it particularly interesting because the man "Bill Schnoebelen" claims to be an ex mason himself.

Schnoebelen .. is the worlds biggest git.

Hes a liar, a fake, a coward and a crook.

He has been a Mason, a Mormon, a Pagan of some variation and no doubt has personal friends on the planet nibiru.

He gives conspiracy theorist the bad name they have..

But hey, he got rich doing it. I never said he was stupid.

Originally posted by jaamaan
I hear what you are saying.

What i like to know is, are these criminal organisations you are speaking of have their connections to the masons.

For me the picture is not so clear yet.

If there were that connection Id be out of masonry quicker than you can say "jaaa man".

There may be some black sheep quasi-masonic lodges connected to mafiosi child-trafficking organizations...stuff like that.

But we´re talking about under-under-underground scum here and not something "dominating our culture" and "taking over the world". Its overblown by people who want to make a few bucks by scaring you.

Originally posted by Rockpuck

I find it particularly interesting because the man "Bill Schnoebelen" claims to be an ex mason himself.

Schnoebelen .. is the worlds biggest git.

Hes a liar, a fake, a coward and a crook.

He has been a Mason, a Mormon, a Pagan of some variation and no doubt has personal friends on the planet nibiru.

Well i have to say that when some one claims to have been a vampire and is now fighting for the good in the world that i will take tthe mans words with a lot of sceptism.

Originally posted by JoshNorton
I recently had the honor of meeting Chinese photographer Lu Nan who managed to self-publish three books, one each on Catholicism in China, the state of psychiatric treatment in China, and the peasant's conditions in Tibet, all while living under the Communist Chinese government. It was inspiring to me to see someone so dedicated to his work that he managed to scrape together funds and find people willing to print it entirely on his own and outside of official channels.

I mean more in the time only monks and stuff where writing books lets say.

I suppose i am going to have a look into what Jim marrs has to say about these subjects.

If i find anything related i will post it here to hold it against the light that ATS is for me

Originally posted by christiansoldier
Well, I worked as a psychotherapist for 15 years and in all that time, I never encountered one victim of Satanic Ritual abuse. I worked with the most wounded women there are - it was a program for recovery from substance abuse, which one would think is more prone to SR abuse due to the need for survivors to cover up their pain. I never knew any therapists who ever had anyone who was a survivor of SR, except for one therapist and she didn't know what she was dealing with, just that her client underwent alot of weirdness. But it was never proved that it was SR abuse.

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I'm just curious, how exactly did those conversations come up? I know you didn't say anything about names but still, is it really appropriate for psychologists to be talking about other peoples problems and there experiences with a patient? At least without said patient knowing?

It makes me question your entire post, for one you are already arguing on anecdotal evidence, but on top of that you bring in other peoples experiences, experiences that personally I don't think you should know anything about. Makes me question the professionalism of both you and the other "professionals" you have apparently spoken with.

Originally posted by MCJustJ
I'm just curious, how exactly did those conversations come up?

Considering Christiansoldier last visited ATS on May 10, 2008, don't go holding your breath waiting for a reply.