I would like to hear more from the anonymous poster and his take on area 51, I think that we have danced around this topic enough, In my opinion we are beating a dead horse with this topic although I am intrigued as well..

Hey,
they probably bugged your camp site and that's how they knew you had a camera in your car. There's a good chanced they bugged your car too. Maybe it is still in your car too so when you go back they can check up on what your doing. I really wouldn't put it past them to do something like this.

for what it's worth, you can go to your local "spy shop" and buy bug detectors for cheap.
and line tap detectors. just in case your (op) feeling paranoid.

Originally posted by bknapple

Wish I could. Unfortunately, I didn't foresee the guards popping our lock and taking the camera. So I left the tape in it. We just found it so odd. Hence we are gonna go back in a month and see what happens.

Don't suppose you took any pictures of the popped lock did you? That would go a long way toward verifying your story. It is illegal for those guys to break into your domain without proper cause. If you are 'harmless campers', as you say, this should not be a problem.

. Hence we are gonna go back in a month and see what happens.

I'm sorry but there are gaping contradictions in your story. You claim you were scared sh*tless when the guards came back 'with guns' to break into your truck. Now you're ready to go back camping at Area51 like nothing happened.

You should know better than to post an anecdotal story like this on ATS without providing some sort of evidence other than your words.



[edit on 8-10-2008 by NightVision]

why wouldnt i go back. Im not going to let them prevent me from going. sure its a little scary now, going back, but im still gonna do it.


How am i dodging this guys question. i REPLACED the battery after getting back. i always have more than one, plus a car charger.

Ah, here it is, on page 9:

"The 70 minutes argument to me is pointless. I left when it was still daylight, so obviously they went to the camp around daylight, so hypothetically, looking from an outside perspective, they could have gotten to the camp as soon as we left."

Originally posted by bknapple32

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thanks, its hard to keep up when everyone is questioning.

This page has offered up only 3 relevant questions, apart from Rocks' battery question. If it's too much trouble to answer 3 simple questions in one post, may I suggest another forum where you can take questions one at a time?

You have already evaded mine twice now. Forgive me if I say you're either making this up, or simply want to drag out attention over a story that is likely not verifiable.

[edit on 9-10-2008 by NightVision]

Ben,

I have just finished reading the entire thread from start to finish in one sitting. Ouch!

As someone who also has spent days/nights out in the field there (not at that particular spot, though), I feel it is good to share info such as this. If the camos are becoming more intrusive/aggresive, I don't care if armchair flamers/babblers get bent out of shape and call you a liar....I want to know about it.

While a detail or two of it arouses suspicion, that is true of many interesting true stories, especially regarding something abnormal. Rather declare myself a 100% believer/disbeliever right away, let me just bring up some facts and thoughts which I haven't seen mentioned in this thread, as well as add my $0.02 on other points.

1. Anyone claiming that camp intrusions/searches by camos NEVER happen outside the Area 51 border, don't know their history. I even recall reading in a respected book, an incident of the author's campsite being invaded by the camos while he slept. If not for his guide (Glenn Campbell IIRC, on Freedom Ridge?) insisting that the camos not search their bags, he would have allowed it due to their imposing nature and being suddenly awakened with a flashlight in the eyes. So while they normally keep their distance from campers outside the border, this is not always true.

2. Behavior when confronted with potentially lethal threats, is surprisingly unpredictable and varied. Reasoning, adrenalin, and survival instinct all contribute to a course of action, so it is difficult for anyone else to pass valid judgment on a course of action taken in the moment, without being there to feel the full sensory and instinctual inputs of the real event.

3. I empathize with the difficulty of being in a spot like that with a girlfriend present, for two reasons. First, the added stress and complexity of having to consider her safety also. Second, the impossibility of controlling what she says/does and how that complicates the situation. One time, while I was driving to get my car inspected, with an expired inspection sticker, my GF yelled out, "Watch out for that cop, he might see your sticker is expired", with her window open right as we pulled up to the stop sign where he was standing next to his cruiser. Luckily the guy just laughed and shook his head. Maybe if you'd been alone, you wouldn't have discussed the video with her, and they wouldn't have known to come get it, etc.

4. To my taste, I wouldn't leave a camera recording in the tent on the off chance of catching an intruder on it, except maybe as a trap while I was nearby and in physical control of the situation, or with a camera I considered disposable. Vs the camos, I would never consider myself in physical control of the situation. I'm fond of cameras and money, but I know that not everyone is.

5. I'm very familiar with semi-auto pistols, other guns not as much. While a pistol like the Govt Model .45 can be kept "locked and cocked" with a round in the chamber and only needing the safety released, that's a pretty high state of readiness for a gun when you can see the threat approaching miles away. Cycling the slide on a .45 or a higher capacity 9mm to load a round does make quite an impressive noise, not just a click. So maybe you heard a pistol with an empty chamber and loaded clip, having the slide cycled to load a round.

6. I'm a camera guy, and there is nothing technically implausible regarding the camera AFAIK.

7. Your camera model came out in early 2008 (for $360+), which surprised me. I'd been expecting it to be older/worthless, essentially disposable. Maybe you're wealthy, or didn't mind the risk of losing it, or didn't mind the chance to replace it with a different/better one if lost?

8. If your campsite was bugged, did you do/say anything to tick off the camos, other than viewing the video?

Regards,

JB737