Aliens.....Bad Pilots!

1897 April 17th: Aurora, Texas

On of the strangest cases involving alleged crashed UFOs, occurred nearly 100 years ago in the town of Aurora, Texas. The year was 1897 during which the U.S. was besotted with hundreds of sightings of strange airships.

The story first appeared on 19th April 1897, and claimed that a strange airship had appeared over the town of Aurora. The craft then apparently crashed into a windmill tower and exploded.

Also amongst the wreckage was that of an 'alien' lifeform which the townsfolk buried in the local cemetery.
A few witnesses were still around when the incident was investigated around 1966 - 1977 and some of these gave evidence stating that the story was essentially true.

In fact, several years ago they tried to get the grave where the alien is supposedly buried exhumed. The request was denied my the local council.[CONTENTS EXTRACTED FROM UFOEVIDENCE.NET]

1965 Dec 9th: Kecksburg, Pennsylvania, U.S.A

On 9th December 1965 hundreds of witnesses in Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania observed a UFO crash. It first appeared to be nothing more than a spectacular meteorite but 30 years on it is still a source of much controversy amongst UFO researchers.
images 1-3 from www.debunker.com

In March 1966, UFO researcher Ivan Sanderson compiled a detailed account from various eyewitnesses, and soon realised that there was more to this story than that of a simple meteorite.

His findings indicated that the object showed a clear trajectory, moving from north-west to south-east. Its total visible journey lasted no more than 6 minutes, which indicated a speed far too slow for a meteor. Sanderson calculated a speed of only around 1,000 mph.

Not all the eyewitnesses were located on the ground at the time of the sighting, there were also several pilots who spoke of being buffeted by shock waves as the large bright object sped by. This was strange as most meteorites are observed several thousands of feet above most commercial aircraft. There were also claims of shock waves and sonic booms reported from witnesses on the ground.

The vapour trail left by the object were so intense that they lasted for more than 20 minutes in which time they were filmed by several people.

Several bits of silvery debris were found on the ground at Lapeer, Michigan and these were assumed to be from the object.
However then most convincing aspect that Sanderson discovered to rule out the possibility of a meteorite was that the object appeared to change direction and head in an easterly direction.

The object finally came to rest in a wooded area in the town of Kecksburg. The object was initially witnessed by 2 children who reported that a 'start that had caught fire had crashed in the woods'. The military unit reported to the police that they had found nothing, and they left.This remained the case for around 15 years when some UFO researchers 're-opened' the case.[contents extracted from Ufoevidence.net and debunker.com]

The Russian Crash of 1969


The details of a Russian Crash on or about 1969 are sketchy and somewhat suspect. This case comes from the so-called "Secret KGB Files," which were reportedly smuggled out of the former Soviet Union. Reportedly, $10,000 was paid for the information. The details of these secret files were first offered to the general public on 9-13-98 as part of a TNT special titled "The Secret UFO Files of the KGB." The show featured extraordinary film and still photographs of the UFO recovery, and also a portion of autopsy film on part of an alien body.

The footage at the crash site does seem to be authentic at least on several points. The truck in the film is a circa 1950 model ZIS151, which has not been used by the military for quite some time, and the truck would have been difficult to find to stage a hoax with. Other elements of the film do not exhibit any obvious signs of a hoax, as to the movement of the soldiers, the timing of the film as to shadows, and the UFO itself.

1908 June 30th: Tunguska, Siberia

At 7.00am on 30th June 1908 near the lower Tunguska River, Siberia, a large explosion occurred. The explosion was so massive that it caused damage 400 miles away, and was heard even further. Even the heat that came out from the explosion was felt hundreds of miles away.

At first it was assumed that a massive meteorite had collided with the earth.

Given the remoteness of the area it was not until 1927 that an expedition was mounted to investigate the crash area. The expedition could not locate any bits of meteorite which puzzled them due the size that the meteorite would have to have been to create such a large explosion.

Another puzzle for the expedition was the way the tress were felled in an outward motion and that in the centre an area of trees were still standing, although all their bark and branches have been destroyed.

As a result of this various scientists speculated that a nuclear explosion had taken place over the area, hence explaining the tree formation, and because no nation possessed nuclear device the logical conclusion was that it was from an exploding alien nuclear powered craft.

Many of the witnesses to the original crash spoke of seeing and oval-shaped mass moving across the sky, as well as seeing the object change course, and of having a very low speed.[contents edited from Ufoevidance.net and UNEXPLAINABLE.NET]

[Images 1-2 from wikipedia.org]

1947 July 5th: Roswell


(images from ufocaebook.org]
What can i say?everybody knows.

So what can cause these ufo`s to crash like this,when their teqnology is way more advance then hours! We dont even know how mutch is laying under the osean! The list just go on and on!!

Eye Witnesses testimony of UFO Disc Recovery
Interview With Glenn Dennis,
Roswell Mortician and Disc Recovery Witness.
Reported Crashes and Recoveries based of Witnesses and Newspaper Articles.

1864 September Cadotte Pass, Missouri Original newspaper article of 1864.
1884 June 6 Holdredge, Nebraska Inconclusive but quite interesting.
1884 December 13 Sorisole, near Bergamo, Italy
1897 April 17 Aurora, Texas Hoax ?
1897 April 19 Leroy, Kansas, USA Hoax ?
1907 Burlington, Vermont, USA
1908 June 30 Tunguska River, USSR
1910/1915 Puglia Italy
1923 Quetta, Pakistan
1925 Chevy Chase, Maryland, USA
1925 Sept/Oct Polson, Montana
1930 Mandurah, West Australia
1933 Italy
1936 Black Forest, Germany
1938 summer Czernica, Poland
1941 West of San Diego, Ca
1941 Spring Cape Girardeau, Missouri
1941 July 4 Tinian Island, Oceania
1945 Somewhere in the UK
1945 Mataquescuintla, Guatemala
1946 Magdalena, NM
1946 July 9 Lake Barken, Sweden
1946 July 10 Bjorkon, Sweden
1946 July 18 Lake Mjosa Sweden
1946 July 19 Noon Lake Kolmjarv, Sweden
1946 August 12 SW Sweden
1946 August 16 Malmo Sweden
1946 mid-October Southern Sweden
1947 January Papagos Indian Reserv. AZ NEW
1947 May Spitzbergen, Norway Newspaper articles, cover up, 17 bodies.
1947 May 31 Socorro, New Mexico
1947 July Near St. Joseph, MO
1947 July 4 Roswell, New Mexico, USA The well known Roswell affair. 4-5 bodies, one alive ET?
1947 July 5 Plains of San Augustin, New Mexico, USA
1947 July 31 Maury Island, Tacoma, USA Complicated hoax?.
1947 August 13 Hopi Reservation, Arizona
1947 October 2 Cave Creek, Arizona, USA
1947 October Paradise Valley, Arizona, USA
1947 October 20 San Diego , California
1948 Kingman, Arizona, USA
1948 February 13 Aztec, New Mexico, USA Controversial, 12 alleged bodies rccovered
1948 March 25 White Sands, New Mexico, USA
1948 7/8 July Near Laredo, 38 miles inside Mexico Bodies recovered.
1948 August Laredo, Texas, USA 1 body recovered
1949 Roswell, NM, USA Not the famous case of 1947.
1949 August 19 Death Valley, California, USA Story by 2 prospectors.
1950 (before) Near Mexico City, Mexico Second hand witness.
1950 January Mojave Desert, California, USA
1950 February 10 Copenhagen, Denmark Farmer witness UFO explode.
1950 March? New Mexico, USA FBI memo mentions recovery of 3 crashed saucers.
1950 April Argentina Bodies not there anymore on next day
1950 Birmingham, Alabama Single witness case.
1950 May 10 Bahia Blanca Province, Argentina
1950 September 10 Albuquerque, Texas, USA 3 bodies
1950 December 6 El Indio/Guerrero area, Tex-Mex border, Texas, USA
1952 July Washington DC, USA
1952 July 23 Pueblo, Colorado, USA Admitted hoax.
1952 August Ohio, USA
1952 August 14 Ely, Nevada, USA 16 bodies recovered.
1952 September 9 Spitzbergen, Norway Probable mystification.
1953 Brady, Montana, USA Recovery of bodies by military.
1953 April 18 South-West Arizona, USA
1953 May 20 Western Utah, USA
1953 May 20/21 Kingman, Arizona, USA Reliable witness, 2 bodies
1953 June 19 Laredo, Texas, USA 4 bodies
1953 Summer Fort Polk, LA, USA
1953 July 10 Johannesburg, South Africa 5 bodies
1953 October 13 Dutton, Montana, USA 4 bodies
1954 (Spring) Matydale, New York, USA Police denies incident.
1955 July Vestra Norrland, Sweden
1955 May 5 Brighton, UK 5 bodies
1957 July 18 Carlsbad, New Mexico, USA 4 bodies
1957 September 14 Ubatuba, Brazil Physical evidences, fragments analyzed.
1957 November 21 Reasty Hill, Scarborough, Yorks
1958/1959 Woomera, Australia
1958 Utah desert
1959 January 21 Gdynia, Poland
1959 Frdynia, Poland Body and parts.
1959 September 17 Wormer near Amsterdam
1959 Undated Italy, North of Rome
1960s offshore Spain
1960s Great Sand Dunes, Co
1960 March New Paltz, New York, USA Alien dies 28 days later.
1961 Timmensdorfer, Germany
1961 April 28 2am. Lake Onega, Karelskaya, USSR.
1962 June 12 Holoman AFB, New Mexico, USA 2 bodies
1962 Otero County, NM
1962 April 18 Las Vegas, Nevada, USA Impressive events.
1963/1972 Australia, 12 recoveries
1963 July 16 Charlton, UK
1963 December 10 Cosford RAF, UK Alleged crash cover-up on RAF base.
1964 November 10 Fort Riley, Kansas, USA 9 bodies
1965 San Miguel, Argentina
1965 December 9 Kecksburg, Michigan, USA Very famous controversial case.
1966 October 26 Arizona, USA 1 body
1967 January South-West Missouri, USA 40 inches disc
1968 February 12 Orocue, Columbia US say 'satellite debris'.
1972 July 18 Saharian desert, Morocco 3 bodies
1973 July 10 Northwest Arizona, USA 5 bodies
1974 Llandrillo, Clwyd, Wales, UK
1974 November 9 Carbondale, Pennsylvania, USA Hoax or cover story?
1974 May 17 Chili, New Mexico, USA UFO moved to Kirtland AFB.
1974 August 25 Chihuahua, Mexico Disc crash
1976 May 12 Desert, Australia 4 bodies
1977 April 5 South-West Ohio, USA 11 bodies
1977 June 22 Northwest Arizona, USA 5 bodies
1977 August 17 Tobasco, Mexico 2 bodies
1978 May 6 Padcaya, Bolivia Search team finds nothing.
1978 Ocean off Finland, USSR USSR army rcovers bodies.
1978 November 10 Lebannon
1988 Russia Hill 611: debris recovered, analysis, conclusion: ET craft.
1988 November Afghanistan 7 bodies
1989 Cap Ontario, Canada
1989 May 7 Kalahari desert, Botswana, South Africa (Hoax or controversial)
1989 Siberia 9 alive
1989 September 28 Smith's Point Beach, Long Island, New York, USA
1990 September 2 Megas Platanos, Greece
1992 April Niagara Falls, USA Recovery by Army in front of witnesses
1992 November Long Island, New York, USA UFO Network is investigating.
1994 Birmingham, UK
1996 January 20 Varginha, Brazil Alleged capture of aliens by the military.
2000 August 27 Balochistan, Pakistan Newspaper report ufos and ufo crash.
[Contents edited from CSETI.COM, ANGELFIRE.COM, MENDHAK.COM]

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[edit on 16/4/2008 by Sauron]

A star and a flag for you. Wow, I've never seen any of those clips but they definitely are intriguing.

I do think though that it is a possibility that the first object was a zeppelin and the driver may have been so badly disfigured that he looked "alien." Of course zeppelins were not prevalent until some 10 years later. And he said they found molten aluminum, I think the hindenberg may have burned hot enough for such melting to occur.

I think maybe we as an ATS community should petition the Auroran people and ask again to exhume the body. Its been 40 years since the last time someone got close to getting them to, and we are certainly a large number of people organized enough to get a ton of support. Maybe me just alittle too excite.. oh well.

Anyway, great post, I'd like to see what other subject specialists have to say about these stories.

Regards
SC

reply to post by SantaClaus

Thankyou SantaClaus, i think in a sense that the body at Auroran could still be analized,even if there is still a bone or two left! Wonder why nobody when and digg it up.......If i stayed close i`ll do even with the law against it.

Originally posted by SantaClaus
I think maybe we as an ATS community should petition the Auroran people and ask again to exhume the body. Its been 40 years since the last time someone got close to getting them to, and we are certainly a large number of people organized enough to get a ton of support.

You want to dig up a body thats been in the ground for over a 100 years? If it was a being from space, then it probably was organic, and long since worm food. Besides that, if anyone thought there was really an alien in a grave, why hasnt anyone just broken the law and dug it up on their own? Seriously, if there is a coverup, a government isnt just going to okay digging up a corpse of anything. Laws have to be broken sometimes to expose the truth...........

Laws have to be broken sometimes to expose the truth...........

I agree!

The Original Head Stone has since been removed, so now, no one knows for certain where this "alleged" alien body really is.

The better choice would be the well the parts were tossed in, that IS known.

Originally posted by thedigirati
The Original Head Stone has since been removed, so now, no one knows for certain where this "alleged" alien body really is.

The better choice would be the well the parts were tossed in, that IS known.

The well you dont even need to brake a law to get into it! If it is alien metal it would still survive...

I've been looking for the first posted video for a very long time. Thank you for posting it.

reply to post by DJMessiah

It`s a pleasure,hope it could help!

reply to post by GUNSINWAR


Well researched GUNSINWAR! I had read somewhere that one of the reasons for those crashes could be EMI (Electromagnetic Interference) from our radars and other electronic equipment. But I wonder what caused those crashes before we had these EM gizmos? But nothin's perfect - even those darn alien ships!!

Here's that famous so called UFO crash in Siberia, though to me it looks like a snow tractor that met its end due to whatever reason!


Arkadysimkin

Here's the vid...(embedding disabled)

www.youtube.com...

And here's another 'UFO' that went awry....



So them aliens ain't infallible after all!

Cheers!





[edit on 15-4-2008 by mikesingh]

Star and flag from me too: a well researched and very interesting thread:

it's amazing to look at the list of crashes:
i should have somewhere a documentation related to the italian crash near Milan, but i can't confirm the year as 1933, right now.
I'll check.
Thanks for sharing this one

reply to post by mikesingh


Thanks Mikesingh always a honour! This is really interesting what you say about the EMI, I heard about it to but thought none the less!

Since we started EMI more crashes had occured!

Thanks again Mike

Originally posted by internos
i should have somewhere a documentation related to the italian crash near Milan, but i can't confirm the year as 1933, right now.
I'll check.
Thanks for sharing this one

Thanks Internos a Honour to! I would off love to created a thread of all these cases,but the threads are to short....dammm.

Cant wait what you are going to present

Originally posted by internos

i should have somewhere a documentation related to the italian crash near Milan, but i can't confirm the year as 1933, right now.
I'll check.

At this momonet that i got was this from en.wikipedia.org...

Contents from external:

Roberto Pinotti
In 2000 he published material regarding the so-called "Fascist UFO Files", which dealt with a flying saucer that had crashed near Milan in 1933 (some 14 years before the Roswell, New Mexico crash), and of the subsequent investigation by a never mentioned before Cabinet RS/33, that allegedly was authorized by Benito Mussolini, and headed by the Nobel scientist Guglielmo Marconi. A spaceship was allegedly stored in a hangar in Vergiate

The UFO landed in Milan was claimed to be triangular from some sources:
there have been more speculations about a reverse engineering program which brought the fascist era engineer Giovanni Pegna it.wikipedia.org...
to design the "flying wing":


Some links to italian national newspapers' articles about the UFO landed near Milan

la Nazione:
Mussolini has hidden Milano's UFO
/2r5dff

La Repubblica:
When Mussolini spotted UFOs
www.repubblica.it...

www.cun-italia.net...

Recovered text article from UfoCaseBook

Some more articles in english:
web.tiscali.it...

The Mussolini UFO files (Part 1)
www.book-of-thoth.com...

The Mussolini UFO Files (Part 2)
www.book-of-thoth.com...

The Mussolini UFO Files (Part 2 section 3)
www.book-of-thoth.com...




[edit on 15/4/2008 by internos]

Originally posted by internos
The UFO landed in Milan was claimed to be triangular from some sources:
there have been more speculations about a reverse engineering program which brought the fascist era engineer Giovanni Pegna it.wikipedia.org...
to design the "flying wing":

Some links to italian national newspapers' articles about the UFO landed near Milan

la Nazione:
Mussolini has hidden Milano's UFO
/2r5dff

La Repubblica:
When Mussolini spotted UFOs
www.repubblica.it...

www.cun-italia.net...

Recovered text article from UfoCaseBook

Some more articles in english:
web.tiscali.it...

The Mussolini UFO files (Part 1)
www.book-of-thoth.com...

The Mussolini UFO Files (Part 2)
www.book-of-thoth.com...

The Mussolini UFO Files (Part 2 section 3)
www.book-of-thoth.com...




[edit on 15/4/2008 by internos]

Nice one Internos! thanks a mil! the image of the ufo is almost as what witnesses describe at the roswell crash!

Thanks Internos

reply to post by GUNSINWAR


Nice job, star and flag for you GUNSINWAR

Ohhh dont forget my backyard Australia, seems those egg head aliens have lost a few ships here too, maybe they got shot down by boomerangs

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1. 1955 Eucla, SA (dubious alien photo and alleged crash debri).
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2. 1955 near Nowra, NSW (Noel Martin's 1982 "UFO Recovery" saga).
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3. 1959 Butterworth RAAF Malaysia (letter writer to RAAF refers to plane destruction and debri from destroyed UFO).
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4. 1966 Balwyn/Westall, Victoria (classic CE2 incident with possible UFO "in difficulty" rumours).
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5. 1966-80 - Greenbank, Queensland ("Alien Honeycomb" saga).
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6. 1972 Croydon, NW Qld, "crash" (meteorite? plus odd newspaper classified ad: "Magnificent obsession fruition. Tiger special duties all under objects. Will report as arranged. Loyal and true. Sky Blue World President. UFO. Immediate.)"
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8. 1976 - Nowra/Robertson ", NSW, crash" (spurious).
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9. 1979 - Banka Banka, Northern Territory, ex RAAF files re "crash", burnt area & ash only found.
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10. 1980 - Lismore, NSW "UFO crash" (dubious, possible newspaper fabrication).
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11. 1983 - Coen, Qld - probable. meteorite (letter to editor alleging retrieval operation involved)
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12. 1970s - Mt. Isa artifact found by farmer - usual alloy mixture, studied by Qld metallurgist, Paul Brixius.
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16. 1972/73, near Nowra, alleged "retrieval" attempt just out to sea during same night as extraordinary CE event.
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17. Alleged accounts of possibly 3 UFO crashes in Australia including one in which one alien was still alive.
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18. Information about an operation devoted to retrievals and an alleged "inner cell" intent on "contact" using individuals with history of UFO encounters. Note Deyo's antecdote re "some decoded US Defence Department traffic...from nuclear test monitoring network headquartered in Washington and code named the "Shake Lady" ... In the middle of this traffic was a response to a UFO enquiry made by a mobile unit in Western Australia. The response was a reprimand for making such requests without the required "Level 7" security clearance over such a relatively open communications link..."
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19. Abductee "recollects" onboard episode which allegedly involved craft crashing in Tolga swamp in Qld.

www.theozfiles.com...
www.auforn.com...



[edit on 15-4-2008 by crackerjack]

reply to post by GUNSINWAR


I watched that episode when it aired on TV, and I am pretty sure someone did dig them up, they were grave robbed as you would have done! Except whoever took them have not gone public, the kicker is that the grave robbing occurred thru a 3 inch diameter hole. A small hole was punched into the ground, many feet deep, and the contents of the grave were removed through that hole, so they said!

reply to post by crackerjack


I see Australia is a hot spot,nice one crackerjack! those boomerangs hit one and when it returns hit another

I`ll look what i can get on one of these cases!

I have emailed Bill Chalker, an Australian UFO history expert to take part in this thread and have his input.