Corporations and You!

Originally posted by Agent47

I agree the catholic church would love nothin more than to partner up with a huge mega corp but I dont think thats the Popes goal, the man's barely alive and I dont think he would recognize a vast corporation conspiracy building around him.

According to some Bible Scholars I know, They believe He is the Anti-Christ. What more of a trusted person to be able to deceive a world. Remember the announcement of "Aliens" is to come from the Vatican (I believe this is correct, wheres lilblam when you need HIM(?)) This is suppose to be the start of the Abomination of Dessolation, which will reveal the Anti-Christ. So if he indeed is Working for Satan, so to speak, then I wouldn't think health would matter.

The importance of this Scriptural expression is chiefly derived from the fact that in St. Matthew, xxiv, 15, and St. Mark, xiii, 14, the appearance of the "abomination of desolation" standing in the Holy Place" (Matt.), or where "it ought not" (Mark), is given by Our Lord to His disciples as the signal for their flight from Judea, at the time of the approaching ruin of Jerusalem (Luke, xxi, 20). The expression itself is confessedly obscure. To determine its meaning, interpreters have naturally betaken themselves to the original Hebrew of the book of Daniel; for our first Evangelist distinctly says that "the abomination of desolation" he has in view "was spoken of by Daniel the prophet"; and further, the expression he makes use of, in common with St. Mark, is simply the Greek phrase whereby the Septuagint translators rendered literally the Hebrew words sh�qq�� sh�mem found in Daniel, xii, 11; ix, 27; xi, 31. Unfortunately, despite all their efforts to explain these Hebrew terms, Biblical scholars are still at variance about their precise meaning.

While most commentators regard the first "sh�qq��", usually rendered by "abomination", as designating anything (statue, altar, etc.) that pertains to idolatrous worship, others take it to be a contemptuous designation of a heathen god or idol. Again, while most commentators render the second "sh�mem" by the abstract word "desolation", others treat it as a concrete form referring to a person, "a ravager", or even as a participial known meaning "that maketh desolate". The most recent interpretation which has been suggested of these Hebrew words is to the following effect: The phrase sh�qq�� sh�mem stands for the original expression b�` �l sh�m�y�m (Baal of heaven), a title found in Phoenician and Aramaic inscriptions, and the semitic equivalent of the Greek Zeus, Jupiter, but modified in Daniel through Jewish aversion for the name of a Pagan deity.

While thus disagreeing as to the precise sense of the Hebrew phrase usually rendered by "the abomination of desolation", Christian scholars are practically at one with regard to its general meaning. They commonly admit, and indeed rightly, that the Hebrew expression must needs be understood of some idolatrous emblem, the setting up of which would entail the ultimate desolation of the Temple of Jerusalem (I Mach. i, 57; iv, 38). And with this general meaning in view, they proceed to determine the historical event between Our Lord's prediction and the ruin of the Temple (A. D. 70), which should be regarded as "the abomination of desolation" spoken of in St. Matthew, xxiv, 15, and St. Mark, xiii, 14. But here they are again divided. Many scholars have thought, and still think, that the introduction of the Roman standards into the Holy Land, and more particularly into the Holy City, shortly before the destruction of the Temple, is the event foretold by Our Lord to His disciples as the signal for their flight from Judea. It is true that the standards were worshipped by the Roman soldiers and abhorred by the Jews as the emblem of Roman idolatry.

Yet they can hardly be considered as the "the abomination of desolation" referred to in St. Matthew, xxiv, 15. The Evangelist says that this "abomination" is to stand in the "holy place", whereby is naturally meant the Temple (see also Daniel, ix, 27, where the Vulgate reads: "there shall be in the Temple the abomination of the desolation"), and the Roman standards were actually introduced into the Temple only after it had been entered by Titus, that, too late to serve as a warning for the Christians of Judea. Other scholars are of the mind that the desecration of the Temple by the Zealots who seized it and made it their stronghold shortly before Jerusalem was invested by Titus, is the even foretold by Our Lord. But this view is commonly rejected for the simples reason that "the abomination of desolation" spoken of by Daniel and referred to in St. Matthew's Gospel, was certainly something connected with idolatrous worship.

Others, finally, interpret Our Lord's warning to His disciples in the light of the history of attempt to have his own statue set up and worshipped in the Temple of Jerusalem. The following are the principal facts of that history. About A. D. 40, Caius Caligula issued a peremptory decree ordering the erection and worship of his statute in the Temple of God. He also appointed to the government of Syria, bidding him carry out that decree even at the cost of a war against the rebellious Jews. Whereupon the Jews in tens of thousands protested to the governor that they were willing to be slaughtered rather than to be condemned to witness that idolatrous profanation of their holy Temple. Soon afterwards Petronius asked Caligula to revoke his order, and Agrippa I, who than lived at Rome, prevailed upon the Emperor not to enforce his decree. It seems, however, that Caligula soon repented of the concession, and that but for his untimely death (A. D. 41) he would have had his statue set up in Jerusalem (E. Schurer, History of the Jewish People in the Time of Christ, I Div. II, 95-105; tr.).

In view of these facts it is affirmed by many scholars that the early Christians could easily regard the forthcoming erection of statue in the Temple as the act of idolatrous Abomination which, according to the prophet Daniel, ix, 27, portended the ruin of the House of God, and therefore see in it the actual sign given by Christ for their flight from Judea. This last interpretation of the phrase "the abomination of desolation" is not without its own difficulties. Yet it seems preferable to the others that have been set for by commentators at large.



[Edited on 28-2-2004 by TrickmastertricK]

Originally posted by TrickmastertricK
According to some Bible Scholars I know, They believe He is the Anti-Christ. What more of a trusted person to be able to deceive a world. Remember the announcement of "Aliens" is to come from the Vatican (I believe this is correct, wheres lilblam when you need HIM(?)) This is suppose to be the start of the Abomination of Dessolation, which will reveal the Anti-Christ. So if he indeed is Working for Satan, so to speak, then I wouldn't think health would matter.

Well how corporations fit into this end game?

[Edited on 28-2-2004 by Agent47]

Trickmaster K, will it be a physical statue or something different, Ive read a smattering of bible but I had never considered the importance of the "abomination". Hows does the pope represent the abomination in presence?

Originally posted by Agent47
Well how corporations fit into this end game?
[Edited on 28-2-2004 by Agent47]

IMO. You have to look at like your running a company. You need a product, lets say RFID tags. You need someone to develop them, then manufature them, and lastly distribute them.. ie.. Wal-Mart. I think anything that has to do with survailence(sp) these days is part of it. It seems that after 9-11, it has opened up the gates even more. But you need to go back to the Rockefellers and further. Industry !!! Bill Gates is donating One Billion Dollars to the UN to develop third world countries in the computer age--->www.abovetopsecret.com...

Actually I was asking you about the religous NWO not corporations and such, we had talked about that on page 1 and other things, why we had lost the ability to take on big business like we did in the 1910s during the progressive movement. Its a pretty bleak situation if you ask me.

Agent

again this is my opinion as well as others but,
I see the "statue" or whatever it may be as the Vatican, what more of a Holy icon than this. Corporations will play a big part in it as far as the NWO goes. Remember everything will be one, one religion, one currency(look at the Euro), one law, ONE BIG FIZZILING BUSINESS.

Everybody will have to be the same.

[Edited on 6-3-2004 by TrickmastertricK]

Agent(and whoever else)

Check this thread out

religion-cults.com...

Selfishness is the scourage of any nation. Business is mostly concerned with money which is not the only currency of self aggrandizement out there.

any of yall heard of infultration?????

if not, ill find yall a great link

here we go...infiltrations!!!!!!!!!!!!!

INFILTRATION...THE ZINE ABOUT GOING PLACES YOURE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO

its great, got some great stuff on corporate places around america you can rip off......this is the kind of stuff i was talking about in that REVOLUTION thread, just didnt pick a good title

Originally posted by Scat
here we go...infiltrations!!!!!!!!!!!!!

INFILTRATION...THE ZINE ABOUT GOING PLACES YOURE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO

its great, got some great stuff on corporate places around america you can rip off......this is the kind of stuff i was talking about in that REVOLUTION thread, just didnt pick a good title

Im not saying what your doing is justified Scat but I dont see it really turning back the tide of rabid commercialism, those companies will keep on turning out more and more materials seeing as they can afford for you to steal from them.

Interlocking directories, thats where I see the future of corporations coming back too.

its not turning back the tide, its just living around these corporations without living with or for them

theres another whole branch of tearing down corporations, take this for example.

these kids printed off about 200 free movie passes to a certain blockbuster movie playing at the theater and passed them out to random people.

its time for the movie, and all these people are standing outside with free passes. the managers shut down the theater to find out whos behind the scam, but eventuallly the free movie pass holders begin to think the the management is screwing THEM over, and they start to get loud. so the management is forced o let them in.

about 200 people saw a free movie, with free food, and realized that the best price for anything from giant corporations is FREE.

Originally posted by Scat
the best price for anything from giant corporations is FREE.

Amen to that.

My only fear though is as mega corporations enhance their ability to keep tabs on the general public and see our actions, that the reprisals for lashing out against them will become more and more extreme.

DE, didnt you mention how in one novel the Supreme Court gave corporations the right to use deadly force on eco terrorists?

Thats what I am afraid of. You steal movie tickets for people and end up in some private prison run by Paramount.

but thats why youu have to get huge groups to do it. and huge groups with a good acting background...if they can convince the corporations that theyre pissed (which they should be for real) and that theyll eff up the company, the company will do almost anything.

i did this with a ballet company i was with, you get enough pissed off people to do something at once and you CAN change something...

and to be terrorists youd have to make people fear for their lives and crap....we'd jsut be pissed off about getting free tickets

Originally posted by Scat
but thats why youu have to get huge groups to do it. and huge groups with a good acting background...if they can convince the corporations that theyre pissed (which they should be for real) and that theyll eff up the company, the company will do almost anything.

i did this with a ballet company i was with, you get enough pissed off people to do something at once and you CAN change something...

and to be terrorists youd have to make people fear for their lives and crap....we'd jsut be pissed off about getting free tickets

Yeah but that wouldnt stop corporations from accusing you of being terrorists, and once you get branded that your a target for anything. Slippery slope your on when you try to take on corporations, not now but the future when they can dispose of you and no one will notice.

I personally find our modern day monopolys the most interesting part of the Corporate takeover of the world.
The RIAA is a great example of this, fierce competitors who have banned together in a none-business deal that serves strictly to control the market. Because they are not bluntly "business" partnerships like a trust, they can not be taken down. Not like they would be anyway due to our corporate controlled government.

I read a series of books once called Otherland, where as a sidenote there was something called an Industrial Senate. In short, lobbyists turned into politicians. I wonder how long it will be until we have three houses, and one not even pretending to serve the people

You guys should read "Bushwacked", by Molly Ivins. It's a great book about how Bush has come to power with the help of major corpoations, like Enron.

Originally posted by Slayer
You guys should read "Bushwacked", by Molly Ivins. It's a great book about how Bush has come to power with the help of major corpoations, like Enron.

Its prob a good read but every president has come to power through the help of corporations, thats why the government has become incapable of stopping them. They are almost employees and if they do try to take them on then a corporaton will just reveal how deep the strings are to the pres, thereby killing all credibility.

So much money goes into these politicians, its amazing that they don't clink as they walk...

I'm a smoker, but it's still amazing that a corporate lobby like the tobacco industry has enough power to keep a business built on adiction and death alive.

I wonder if these corporations will stop at anything, they're already capable of murder

[Edited on 2-28-2004 by Dreamstone]