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Florida School Security Officer Tasers 11-Year-Old Girl

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posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 06:29 PM
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Florida School Security Officer Tasers 11-Year-Old Girl


www.foxnews.com

The incident began when teachers at the Moss Elemenary School in Orange County confronted an 11-year-old girl for allegedly attempting to push another student into ongoing traffic outside the campus...
Authorities say the young female ignored the teacher and walked inside the homeroom, where she was again approached by teachers over her behavior...
Donna Hudepohl, a school resource officer called to remove the troubled girl from the classroom...
...responded by tasering the girl.
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posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 06:29 PM
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Okay, I mean... we're all used to this by now, but even the most hardcore Americans have to be starting to see something wrong here.
Looks like the taser is more commonplace in schools and can be used on anyone...

www.foxnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 06:31 PM
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That is definately wrong. Totally wrong. Then again the girl should not have brought a classmate to a push into traffic fight. She should have been escorted home so her mother could beat her for throwing chairs at teachers, spitting on them, and hitting rent a cops.

[edit on 28-3-2008 by Finn1916]



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 06:37 PM
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Cops in schools are also carrying guns as well. Disturbing. I prefer the tazer. Should have use the baton first then tazer her. Need to show more respect to her classmates and teachers. Pushing another student into the streets filled with traffic right there is attempted murder.

Besides that if she succeeded, she would have just continue on the her classroom like nothing happened.

[edit on 28-3-2008 by deltaboy]

[edit on 28-3-2008 by deltaboy]



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 06:42 PM
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When I was in school they didn't need tazers. They had these really handy things called, "paddles".

And when someone gets shoved into oncoming traffic that is not a behavioral problem. That is attempted, what? Murder? Manslaughter? Isn't it OK for all her class mates to stomp her when they see that?

I mean, I don't know. It's a totally different world now...and so much easier for everyone now that we cant be human anymore...



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 06:44 PM
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Ok, as a LEO this is pretty stupid. Why the taser was deployed is beyond me. I good kick in the A-- and grab this little out of control brat by the back of her neck and get her out of the classroom is what should have occured. I don't know the policy on hand there so I can't say he WAS allowed to even physically touch the kid. A lot of people fail to see that side of it. A policy in a school setting MAY say no hands on to any student, deploy taser first, etc... Again, not sticking up for the officer at all, but it may not have been a choice.

If it WAS a choice, as I stated, bad decision. The kid just needed some "loving" persuasion..
before she hurt another student.

Like I said, grab her butt, cuff her and charge her if shes acting out like that. Take her to a juvenile detention center, have Mom meet you there, and let her calm down, find out whats going on with her. Maybe after she calms down she will open up to why she's doing these things.

EDIT TO ADD: Charging her with attempted murder would be tough in todays court system. Defense attorneys would have so much to use that it would get knocked down to a felony Aggravated Assault, which is better then nothing. As for her classmates, or teachers, etc being able to jump her or stop her actions at the time she was pushing the other student into oncoming traffic...yes someone/people would have the right to stop her from causing death or serious bodily injury to the other child.

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posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 06:48 PM
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INDOCTRINATION*

That is the meaning of this word. New cases will continue on an almost daily basis until the kids and parents "get it"

I will never freaking get it. So help me God.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 07:02 PM
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ok im sorry...but if this was MY kid and she did that and got tasered...id kind of look at her and go "hurts dont it?"

of course then id want someone to taser ME for raising such a child.

the sad part is in many schools now had other students jumped her to prevent another childs harm, those children too would be suspended. many schools have a "zero tolerance policy" thats often applied without any common sense.

i used force to break up a fight on the playground when i was in 6th grade. 5 kids were about to beat on one...i couldnt abide that and still couldnt.

but teachers in many cases arent allowed to touch kids for any reason for fear of lawsuit.

in all honesty....if the source article was accurate. i say bravo to the officer.

oh, and if it had been my kid...first thing she'd do is apologize to each of the people involved. its a new world. you have to provide certain things for your kids or child services comes in...but shoes doesnt have to mean designer shoes. clothes can be thrift store fare not name brand stuff. 3 meals a day doesnt have to mean mcdonalds or pizza hut.

so theres ways to discipline a child without beating sense into them even when thats what they really need.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 07:05 PM
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When I was in high school, we had a local armed police officer as a resource officer. Real nice guy.



confronted an 11-year-old girl for allegedly attempting to push another student into ongoing traffic outside the campus,

Attempted murder or attempted manslaughter.



The student responded by thowing a desk and chair and attempting to spit on the instructor,


Vandalism, and (attempted) assault, and (attempted) battery if she had a disease.



Donna Hudepohl, a school resource officer called to remove the troubled girl from the classroom, was allegedly pushed and punched in the face during a struggle to restrain her.


Resisting arrest and battery.



Hudepohl responded by tasering the girl.


Appropriate course of action.

She should have had her arm broken, and not the poor girl who didn't clean up the cake.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 07:10 PM
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It all amounts to the actions of a little brat who got up on the wrong side of the bed- a baby-a child.

Stop making excuses and get your heads out of the NWO/indoctrination crap and get a grip on reality.

A kid will always be a kid ...unless of course, they're heavily sedated.

SEDATED. Hmmm...i may have something here.....


If you dont see anything wrong with this picture, its too late for you.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
It all amounts to the actions of a little brat who got up on the wrong side of the bed- a baby-a child.


i agree but i think its more than that. somewhere along the line this child, who at 11 years old should bloody well know right from wrong, thoguht it was a good idea to try to harm first a classmate then a teacher then an officer.

um....maybe her parents need to be tasered as well?

dont get me wrong, ive always been a strong advocate for kids and i wont tolerate abuse of kids by anyone...but somewhere along the line in this country "spanking" became "abuse" and look where its gotten us...

maybe its just me. i can see a difference between discipline and abuse. at some point a child probably needs SOME discipline

or at least parents who will instill a sense of right and wrong, maybe a healthy dose of respect thrown in?



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 07:22 PM
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Yes this girl was out of control, but she was an 11 year old girl. No one can convince me that it was neccasary to use a tazer gun to get her under control. If this school security officer is unable to control an 11 year girl with out having to use a tazer gun, then this person needs to seriously reconsider their career choice.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 07:30 PM
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Maybe it's the parent in me but the fact that she was trying to push another child into traffic is more cause for alarm than her getting tazered. Actions like that are gross red-flags that there's more serious issues .



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 07:32 PM
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It is very clear to ME that this government now OWNS the children to the point where intimidation is used and reminded every day that all a child has to do is say "Daddy yelled at me" and a whole freakig committee of loons show up at your door wanting to see your lifestyle and your food supply.
No spanking: NO BODY I KNOW EVER DIED FROM THAT.


I've taken a sneaker to my kid on his butt and he grew up with a lot of love and respect for me and his father, never once touched drugs and is a productive member of society.

The schools have ORDERS to call the cops now for kindergarten kids- now i ask you, who is it who doesnt think this is a little "abnormal"???

They tell you your child has ADD, or whatever else they can come up with so you will be forced to medicate the child.

Dont tell me they dont have orders
Hell, pretty soon they (teachers) will probably be armed to shoot to kill or cripple little kids if they "misbehave"

You know what i have to say to teachers???

If you dont like your line of work, if its too much for you handling those nasty ankle biters, if you hate kids...go make french fries at McDonalds and get the hell out of the school system.\
You are supposed to like kids if you are a teacher and give them guidance and compassion.




posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 07:35 PM
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She was held back 3 times, and the mother got her out of juvenile detention after agreeing to submit her to a mental health test.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 07:35 PM
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you read the article right?

the officer was being punched and may have a broken nose...

ok so leave the taser on the belt...how much force is "ok" to restrain a violent 11yo? its not like you can pick her up by the scruff like a momma cat would...you'd have to put your hands on her.

then as she resists, how much force is ok to hold her? throw her down and cuff her like you would an adult? knee in between the shoulder blades? face in the tiles? say the officer had just grabbed her wrist to restrain her and the girl starts thrashing and twists then "snap" her arms broke. got lawsuit? seriously how much force is ok if a taser isnt?

tasers hurt like hell but guess what...when the discharge is over its done with. unless the girl had one of those wierd undiagnosed heart conditions and it caused an arythmia....she's going to be just fine.

maybe a baton would have been better? go all LAPD on her?

oh how bout a net? wouldnt that have been keen?

i dont care if she's 11 or 90...she tried to push a classmate INTO A BUSY STREET!!!

but we overlook that cuz she an 11yo girl who THEN tried to throw a CHAIR at a teacher, who wouldnt restrain her for fear of their job...

then she breaks an officers nose who was TRYING to restrain her without using excessive force.

ever had your nose broke? kind of limits your options in a hurry. what...back off and let the girl hurt anyone else in the room?

no, im sorry to say this but the officer made the right call. had she been an adult and had done the same thing if the officer felt in danger she'd have been within her rights to cap the offender.

gee, compared to that taser doesnt look all that bad now does it?



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 07:39 PM
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There is no excuse for your point of view. I dont know who you are, if you have children, i guess that would tell me a lot.
My guess is you dont know what a child means to a parent.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 07:49 PM
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First of all. Supposed 'kids' are responsible for more and more 'adult' type criminal behaviour. Attempted murder is not an iceball in the ear type of crime. The situation needed to be handled with utmost authority. I do not know the details of whether or not the tazering was warranted or a more traditional takedown and cuff. But if I was the father of the kid that almost became roadkill, I would probably not have a problem with it.
Just another case of kids gone wild. I listen to the police scanner routinely. They often have to have 3 to 4 zone cars routinely parked and patrolling after school at Lincoln West, near the King Kennedy projects just to keep the peace when school lets out. It's shocking and out of control. Wish I had answers, but I do not. A school mate lawyer friend of mine had both his legs shattered, robbed and beaten within an inch of his life taking a stroll thru his Shaker Hts neighborhood two months ago. By whom? A fifteen yr old, sixteen yr old and a seventeen yr old wielding iron pipes. Kids huh? Yeah, we'll just up their ritalin and say there there.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 07:53 PM
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Do you know how small an 11 year old is?

ANY PERSON who puts on a uniform and wears a lethal devise on their belt should be able to restrain an 11 year old with ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM.

We have gotten so PC in our culture that we allow small women to do the jobs that once belonged to large men. NOT EVERYONE IS EQUAL, not everyone is qualified to do the same jobs, and that is why this 11 year LITTLE GIRL got electrocuted.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 07:53 PM
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wait...did you READ what i wrote?

i was pointing out that maybe if kids had some discipline things like this wouldnt happen.

i was saying that MAYBE in THIS case that the taser was the lesser of all available evils.

put yourself in that officers shoes...seriously. the kid had just tried to throw SOMEONE ELSES CHILD into a BUSY STREET, had then assaulted teachers and then YOU, breaking your nose...

now, of all of the things you have at your disposal as a police officer which is the most appropriate for that situation?

do you physically restrain the child like you would an adult, and knowing kids arent built like adults risk serious injury to the child, do you threaten with a firearm? start swinging a baton? all these things cn lead to making a bad situation worse...

or

do you use a tool at your disposal that will allow you to safely render the child incapable of harming anyone else until you can control the situation?

im saying that this officer in this situation did what was least harmful to the child while still controling the situation.

ive also said in this thread that had THIS CHILD been taught some basic friggin values by HER PARENTS maybe just maybe this situation wouldnt have happened.

would your child have done this? based on what you said it appears not and for that i applaud you as a parent

but who are you to judge me for thinking that a taser is better than thrownig a child to the ground like an adult perpetrator or even just grabbing her wrists and risking injury to her....

and IM the one thats wrong here? plz



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