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Originally posted by dgtempe
BTW, your little sample was of a BRUTAL MURDER which is not in anyway close to this
What are you saying, today you break a nose most likely by accident and you get tasered because tomorrow you will kill, guaranteed???
Two Newfoundland teenagers will appear in court Wednesday for a bail hearing on charges that they were plotting to kill their parents, classmates and teachers.
In a shocking double slaying at an auto-glass shop in Hastings, Minn., Peter and Patricia Niedere were gunned down. Even more shocking -- the accused killer is their 17-year-old son, Matthew.
Originally posted by Damocles
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
I said nothing about throwing anyone on the floor. I meant to say that you would hold one there head down. If done correctly (this officer did not use NVCI correctly) It will not hurt them.
The bottome line is I am stricly against the use of tazer guns. I simply dont like it. No one can convince me that they are a good thing. Im too damn stubborn
[edit on 28-3-2008 by gimme_some_truth]
yes, i know what you said.
i also know what i typed.
i was throwing out a "what if"
"what if" you did this move with the intent of simply "forcing their head down" and the child then overbalanced and went tumbling headlong to the floor with at least one of the arms they'd normally use to catch themselves firmly in your grasp?
not something you envision cuz thats not doing it correctly?
then as i see it youve either never had to use these techniques a lot in the field against opponents intent on doing you harm or your instructor sucked.
sorry but in any hand to hand engangement (and kid yourself all you want...you ARE describing martial arts in one fashion or another) theres a "what if" factor
NOTHING is the same with a real opponent as it is in training and sparing
YOU may know these moves in your sleep but saddly your opponent may not and when you pull their arm one way and move their head another they may not keep their feet either by accident or some attempt to try to break your hold and suddenly skull meets floor
or they try to twist out of it and their arm breaks (we're talking kids here afterall, dont think it can happen? spend a night observing a busy ER in a city over 500,000)
no one said YOU had to approve of a taser but you have to admit that maybe not everyone has your stealth ninja moves either. each dept may have their own variations on hand to hand combat
i know one officer who studied hapkido with his pd
another studied ninjitsu
still another learned jiu juitsu
so, THIS officer got her nose broke and decided that instead of using mace, her baton or god forbid her sidearm....she was going to see a fast resolution to the situation so that she could regain control in the manner LEAST likely to harm the child more than a few seconds.
Originally posted by jpm1602
The end justifies the means. A criminally insane 11 yr old got juiced after most probably breaking the nose of security after almost 'KILLING' a classmate. No tears.
I recently read a story in the cleveland.com forum of a cleveland public school teacher who is also a former Nam vet. He said he felt safer in Nam than teaching today. It really has gotten that bad.
Originally posted by dgtempe
Just you wait till they taser the wrong child.
Tasers have been known to CAUSE DEATH in many now so its just a matter of time they get their hands on a child with a fragile system.
Those of you thinking this is proper procedure are part of the NWO and all the evil behind it because this is all part of the indoctrination procedures to subdue the very young, the parents and all the citizens.
Originally posted by dgtempe
Just you wait till they taser the wrong child.
That's all i can say. Tasers have been known to CAUSE DEATH in many now so its just a matter of time they get their hands on a child with a fragile system.
Originally posted by Quazga
I can't believe for a second that this child is to blame for her actions. There are adults behind her extreme behavior.