Time to listen to Ron Paul?

reply to post by traderonwallst


Trader, first of all, thanks for posting that story.

I think what some people are feeling is that Voting versus not voting, seems to be producing the same result. A fool on the hill, so to speak.

I still vote. I assume that it counts, particularly when selecting local candidates.
But this year, seeing things from a different viewpoint, has shown me how much manipulation goes on in those tiny little precincts all over the country.

There are some real good ole boys running things in about every nook and cranny of this country of ours. Unsecured ballots, calling the winners early.
Here in Nevada, I saw a couple of things: Disinformation, incorrect information as far as polling places. Not enough ballots. Out and out lying about the rules.. The republican rules changed a few times, right up until caucus day. WE had 2 hours to caucus. No absentee votes allowed. (meaning no deployed military got to vote). Things of that nature can certainly disillusion any voter.

Originally posted by traderonwallst

Originally posted by Maxmars

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by ModernAcademia

 

Well, that's just silly.

And Paul's solution? Paul's solution? Anyone? "Cut spending" is not a solution, it's a sound bite.

Just because it's short and direct doesn't make it a sound bite. "Reads my lips, no new taxes!" is a sound bite. "The war on [fill in the blank]" is a sound bite. "Support our troops." is a sound bite.

"Cut spending" is a mandate.

With our current congress...."Cut Spending" is a joke

I wish you were wrong! I really do.

reply to post by spacedoubt


It's the same in my neck of the woods - out here on Long Island. They engage in the most inane embarrassing actions like knocking each others signs over, throwing eggs at each others houses. It's really absurd - because these people are otherwise the kind of nose-in-the-air elitists that are most pleased with themselves at all times.

I really think that if there actually were a 'write-in' ballot more people would be inclined to vote. HOWEVER, they'd probably screw that up too with corruption and other such low class trash thats associated with these reject politicians and their 1950's style mother fixated overweight flaccid public service practices.

Originally posted by Maxmars
reply to post by spacedoubt

 

It's the same in my neck of the woods - out here on Long Island. They engage in the most inane embarrassing actions like knocking each others signs over, throwing eggs at each others houses. It's really absurd - because these people are otherwise the kind of nose-in-the-air elitists that are most pleased with themselves at all times.

Sounds like your talking about the Mejias campaign.

Long Islander here too!!!!!!

Originally posted by traderonwallst

Originally posted by Maxmars
reply to post by spacedoubt

 

It's the same in my neck of the woods - out here on Long Island. They engage in the most inane embarrassing actions like knocking each others signs over, throwing eggs at each others houses. It's really absurd - because these people are otherwise the kind of nose-in-the-air elitists that are most pleased with themselves at all times.

Sounds like your talking about the Mejias campaign.

Long Islander here too!!!!!!

I am suddenly filled with hope!

1.) If the currency (The Dollar) has lost 25% of its value it has been inflated by about 33%.

2.) If we want to re establish a hard (GOLD?) backed dollar and we do not have the gold, silver or platinum, how about a commodity backed dollar, where ach denomination of notes would be exchangable for a different commodity? One spots might be grain backed, fives cotton backed, fifties backed by coal, hundreds backed by bio-fule and thousands by gold, silver and platinum.

3.) Abolishing the Federal Rserve Bank would cut the national budget by 6%. Establishing a National Government Owned Bank with free ATM service would allow direct payment of tax rebates, the military, government employees and pentioners by ATM cards.

4.) I believe to a moral certainty, that the two great presidential write in candidates of the twentith century ( Socialist Eugene V. Debs and millionaire H. Ross Perot ) actually got far more than 20% of the vote that was officially recorded. To paraphrase Lyndon Baynes Johnson, "They weren't out voted, they were out counted."
Still, to give Ron Paul more than 30% of the vote by write in would send a shocking chill through Washington, and might cause such anxiety amoung the Washington insiders that we might see reform without his election.

What we need to see are thousands of home made "Jessie Ventura" style signs across America. Think of the effect of a crude "Ron Paul 2008" sign on the side of a barn by the interstate- done in June it might be worth a thousand votes.

Anybody want to try turning out "Ron Paul 2008" Stork with a Ballot Box posters, bumper sticker, and window clings.

Originally posted by John, Sartell, MN, USA
To paraphrase Lyndon Baynes Johnson, "They weren't out voted, they were out counted."

Funny. I watched 'The Gangs of New York' last night and there was a comment very similar to that which said "It's not the number of ballots but how many votes the counters say."

Scary to think that this crap still goes on today...and now electronically as well.

I think the problems are more severe than ron paul could effectively fix although voting him in would be a nice touch

i think the best hope for american's is that the arabs continue to accept dollars and recycle these petro dollars thru treasury debt (backed by suprime debt and devaluated dollars) throughout the entirety of the bailout business (which the fed/govt) will continue to do, which will present unabated pressure against the dollar, because the amount of derivatives outstanding which would cause a financial system collapse should any of the large banks go bankrupt. This way we come out of the mess with a currency and our soverignty. Not sure what New World Order means but an elimination of either would be the difference between enduring a lower standard of living for awhile or/and experiencing something like the great depression, potentially worse).

This petro dollar system will have to stand up thru at least another year of home price declines putting downward pressure on a leveraged financial system that due to the leverage (unprecedented in history) allows which may otherwise be normal economic downturns to be magnified exponetially greater (due to the amount of leverage) standing behind the pyramid of debt which supports the inflated assets. This could go along much longer if a New Resolution Trust Coperation is not (giant fannie and freddie backed nationalization plan) is not implemented (to slow down and then stop the drop in home prices) till the damage is too severe. The question i have is would it be in anyone's interest to wait till it's too late for the dollar to implement such a plan (and also will the plan be big enough) ?

i would add to positions in gold (may be priced out of most budgets) and silver , and hopefully we make it thru this mess with our currency intact

p.s european central bank rate cuts would take some pressure off the dollar and lower gasoline and other commodity costs/price's

also the United States best asset is it's military strength and the intimidation it brings, i have mixed feelings for this group, because we live in a unfair world based on capitalism and where the threat of little or a lot of violence can help sustain our life styles ( i feel guilty about this) but the world is a mess and though you may not like to realize it but our consumer life styles are sustained by ruthless killing and intimidation to do so ( should country's balk at supporting the U.S led global business order/system) sadly. I don't want to think about that = COGNOTIVE DISSONANCE



[edit on 27-3-2008 by cpdaman]

Originally posted by TheColdDragon
You know, everyone can still write his name in come election day. Is it so insane to think that if we keep spreading the news about his common sense approach to things that people won't listen?

Should we merely let them decide the candidates for us?

Or do candidates not on the ballot get thrown out?

*Imagines an election day where the MSM are confused at the number of write in's that all say Ron Paul*

I agree.

Why not?

It's time we made use of that write in space.