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Originally posted by Harman
Agree, i believe in aliens the same as you, i even keep an open mind about the whole Galactic Federation stuff that floats about on the net but i do take in account that A. They don't have to be as good as they say they are ( actions speak louder then words ) or B. Something like project bluebeam exists and some organisation sets up a False flag operation or a fake 'end of days' scenario to scare the crap out of us in a last ditch attempt to instill fear in us so we keep begging for our leaders to save us and force a disconnect between everyone, spiritually.
Originally posted by Harman
So, where has the coward skyfloating gone to in the mean time?
Ok, seriously i would like to know how you think of it at this point .
Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by Harman
I´ll re-activate this thread in 4 years and we´ll see.
In summary, what are your 4 strongest arguments for the validity of the 2012 phenomenon?
My strongest argument against is that time is something flexible rather than fixed and that the very act of doom prophecy can help facilitate that doom. Which is why I dont chime in to the daily predictions of suffering as proposed by the mass-media or its brainwashed offspring posting at this website.
Originally posted by Harman
I'm not in any way saying it will be a doom thing, i think the whole paranormal aspect of our reality will be more visible because of being in a part of the universe that has more radiation/a higher vibration/[insert terminology here]. And one of the reasons i think there are doom/gloom scenario's out there like those in old religions and the newer theories is to use that against us.
There is more to the 2012 then the doomscenario's. While i agree with you on the facilitation of doom will call forth that doom ( Look at: www.abovetopsecret.com... )
i think that one thing is not that flexible and that is the path of the universe in itself. Even if you agree that this universe in totality is a shared illusion of the sentient beings that are a part of it i think but the way the solarsystem, milkyway and univers is floating about is something that is constant or at least predetermined by the fact that i think that life is everywhere in our universe and they too have expectations about what goes where etc. Just like here on earth it will be very hard to will gravity away, just because you have billions of other people not agreeing with ya
So yes we will have the power to steer what happens in 2012 but something will happen if we ignore it or not. (imo)
Originally posted by Skyfloating
But for me this is a slow transition that began more than a hundred years ago and will finish in about another 200 years and not some fixed event on a certain date in 2012.
Neither do I see why the astronomical events you speak of should choose a specific date to "boil over".
I remember really liking that thread when it first came out. Good job.
Let me offer an alternative: The GENERAL direction is laid out, the specifics are not and are dependent on the free-will of mass-consciousness. 5 train tracks are laid out, which one we choose is not pre-determined.
I resist the old discussion "destiny vs. free will" because it sets two things that belong together apart and creates a false dichotomy of two "sides" arguing over "the truth".
From simple life-experience though I think common sense tells us that there is destiny to some extent AND free will and variability to some extent.
And as time-measurement is a human construct I dont think the universe will bow to that human construct of "2012".
It has been typical human behaviour to assign significance to a later date than today and to other events than those happening right now.
How do we know that those massive, universe-shattering, amazing, super-phenomenal, transitional events are not happening right now but only go unnoticed by most because their eyes are (once again) peering at some later date?
If you study up on end-times-prophecy and on new-age-prophecy a little bit, you will see the reoccuring pattern. Ive heard all of this before (in similar variations) for the year 2000. What happened? A lot. But not what people were expecting.
I guess if you can coax enough people into being convinced of a major 2012 event, then this mass-expectation will lead to something or another.
Still unanswered is the question what to do with all the other calendars that dont place significance on 2012 but on other dates.
If Im mistaken, I apologize.
But should I be mistaken...will the event be so big we wont be interested in posting here anymore? What is the scope of the event?
Because one thing I can predict: If nothing happens, some will try to label lesser events as being "proof" of something having happened.