Hey all great level headed well thought out discussion, it is my pleasure to be allowed to chime in! THANX.
I have some things to add that I haven't seen brought up. You have all mentioned the Mayan calander, but thier culture and most of thier people are
dead and gone, but there is a 2012 prediciting calender that is still living, the Hopi!
I was born and raised in Winslow Az, "boerder land to the rez". I grew up a white minority, so I could not help but learn a lot from the Navajo and
The Hopi religion is super similar to the ancient Jewish one, in many respects, one of wich is proficey from "The Great Spirit". In thier version of
2012 it is not the "end" but a new begining, AND its not the first, they say we are now in the 4th age of man, and 2012 will bring the 5th. This is
a bit defrent concept than just a "new age", it is a cycle, an "old age" simply returned.
Wich brings me back to the Mayan calander, what shape is the calender? It is a giant circle. I don't think the Mayans thought 2012 was the end of it
all, just the end of the cycle. Really want the next Mayan horriscope, after 2012? Well just flip back to the begining. Their calender is often
represented by large gears, some are just larger than others, and the 2021 one is just the first/last tooth of the biggest.
"There is nothing new under the sun"
Same goes for cults, religions, snake oil salesmen, believers, debunkers, suckers, and jack asses.
I think proficey is just an educated geuss, based on past cycles, since for the future to be set it removes the possibility of free will or the
ability to actualy choose anything. Many calvinists would say that is the case, that we are but God's little puppets, as if God is so weak, and we
are so important, He needs us to come to some particular end.
I think your right about it being a cult. I have been struggleing today with how everyone around me is in a giant mental prison with no bars. That God
or his Messiah NEED to come back for some reason implies that they are gone, and that they have to be here to do thier job. I see this as the mental
prison that either society has built its self, or like they would have you believe evil forces have built for us, but again that puts responsibility
on someone elses shoulders.
It sounds way out there but this is what I keep coming to:
You can do nothing you can't imagine yourself doing- thought is the 1st step to reality. Proficies keep us from thinking thoughts the wardens don't
like, or from wondering too far away from the mental prison.
The past and future are fiction, made up concepts that help draw us deeper into the mental prison, there is only now. Wich brings me to my kind of
"new age" type belief.
All is one, one is all. That applies to present past and future. That applies to you and me, us and the aliens, and yup EVEN God. But untill you
become omnipotent, it might be best not to try walking on water.
My ex had a cool saying she got somewhere. "If you have one foot in the past, and one foot in the future, it means your pissing on the present."
FREEDOM: 1: the quality or state of being free: as a: the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action b: liberation from slavery
or restraint or from the power of another : independence c: the quality or state of being exempt or released usually from something onerous
CULT:1: formal religious veneration : worship
2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator
5 a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or
intellectual fad b: the object of such devotion c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
I'll try freedom, thanx.