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Originally posted by amigo
Skyfloating, the problem I have with what you write is that you assume everyone in the World is behaving like people in North America: being dead centered on the 2012 and its significance, or are blindly buying into it (and the merchandise based on it.)
Further more, even people in North America are devoid from that 2012 mania because only the progressive California circles are the ones who appear to be pushing this cult, as you put it, like they did many other things in the past, and are on the forefront of the 2012 move.
Why is that I cannot say without deeper research and I really do not wish to label people in California because it is only those snake oil salesmen that you mention who are peddling this.
There are millions of people who do not know about 2012 and do not care about it because they are preoccupied with daily survival, and they are in the majority. Making a 2012 a big deal is only happening in places (such as this and other forums and numerous websites) where the subject is discussed and where participants get a wrong impression of wide spread knowledge of the 2012 and what it supposedly signifies.
Having said the above, part of me would be greatly disappointed if nothing happens in the next ten years. I have close friends who had visions and dreams of the future (not induced by drugs or other artificial means) who have said that we are in for a really bumpy ride in the near future..
Don't you agree it's an ideal opportunity for something lurking in the shadows to become that next best thing and take over under its "wing" all those "lost souls". Seeing how most people on this planet constantly await some divine intervention refusing to take charge of the situation and create a change that would make a difference, it is not unlikely that they will get that divine intervention through some fakery which will only solidify the grip our "overlords' have over all of us already, or transition us from one system to another (could be a ploy by the Church? )
Originally posted by Mr Green
It is because of this very point that I have decided to take another look at 2012! Ive decided that something is happening to the World, we do seem to be moving into a new era. However 2012? I can't spend the next 4 years planning for this so Im going to live my life as well as I can and what ever happens happens... I no longer believe 2012 is definate. I believe in ascension but not that is ends in a massive event in 2012.
Basically Ive changed my mind! Mainly due to the great debates on ATS.
Im pro ascension, just not so pro 2012 anymore
Originally posted by HellHound63S
the Mayan calander, but thier culture and most of thier people are dead and gone, but there is a 2012 prediciting calender that is still living, the Hopi!
The Hopi religion is super similar to the ancient Jewish one, in many respects, one of wich is proficey from "The Great Spirit". In thier version of 2012 it is not the "end" but a new begining, AND its not the first, they say we are now in the 4th age of man, and 2012 will bring the 5th. This is a bit defrent concept than just a "new age", it is a cycle, an "old age" simply returned.!
Originally posted by InSpiteOf
Next your going to tell me the Q-Ray bracelet is a sham!
Originally posted by TheOracle
Firstly, I believe in Destiny. I could write a long chapter about my researches and very personal experiences but I won't derail the thread.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by TheOracle
Firstly, I believe in Destiny. I could write a long chapter about my researches and very personal experiences but I won't derail the thread.
I dont believe in the idea of destiny contradicting free will or free will contradicting destiny. They are not opposites for me. In other words: 5 tracks are laid out as my destiny, which one I choose is my free will.
This is simple physics as well. Its also simple common sense: Stand at a crossroads: You can go left, right, back, straight or diagonal. You cannot however immediatly jump to another city. Your destiny is to be at that crossroads. Which road you choose is your free will.
As to the rest of your post: Alright
Originally posted by TheOracle
Its called illusion of choice. Every single decision you make is not random. You make the choice you are meant to make. To put it simply, your body and brain is full of electrical impulses and chemical reactions - if we could put them into equation then we would be able to predict every decision one will make.
The dice you throw isn't random, you can calculate what will come out if you have the tools and data (speed, strength of throw, mass of dice, direction, wind ...) Same applies for the decision making process.
Originally posted by CavemanDD
Its funny how I try to throw logic into my own personal spirituality.