HELP...i dont know who to vote for...i'm a Republican that does not like McCain

reply to post by Royal76

But the rules seem to be broken and both sides seem to be a mix of people who don't believe in anything.

i agree and i am almost to the point of calling them republicrats. the only party that is a seperate view now is the independent party.

and i am sorry but i cant vote for Nader


how does an independent win anyway's...is only by popular vote ?

McCain is the lesser of the two evils (Hillary and Obama.) As has already been expressed, I disagree even more with Hillary and Obama, then I do with McCain.

(This video is something I think everyone should see!!!)

Obama weak on national defense/security!


What a naive world Mr. Obama lives in...

"I will slow the progress of Future Combat Systems.."

To whose advantage Mr. Obama?


Some would say, its 1972 all over again.

Among many of my general dislikes for the "Hilldabeast" and "Osama boy," I dislike Obama, and Hillary's, insistence on a socialist universal health care system for America.

Democrats are known for wanting to force "bigger government" onto its citizens... Obama, and Hillarys views really enforce that agenda.

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good post...thanks for the video ,

well he is talking about change and alot of people on here are saying "he talks about change but doesnt tell you exactly what he means by that " well that video imo sure does get kinda specific on what he wants to change.

the only problem i see is the military industrial complex aint gonna like him at all.

i think there is no stopping the star wars program at this point because if you do your not going to be the first to have it then and that would mean trouble for us later. that can of worms has already been opened.

reply to post by West Coast

I dislike Obama, and Hillary's, insistence on a socialist universal health care system for America.

i agree...

oh lets let all the illegals stay so we can pay for their healthcare

problem is Mcsame wants to let them stay also...

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I do not think you are seeing that video the same way I am. Russia, as well as china, NK, and Iran are not going to play by Obamas rules. Halting all advancements in nuclear weapons science, doing away with "unproven" missile defenses technologies and funding just a "Basic" research for it with less funds, along with banning the weaponization of space (a *growing* vital asset to the US military), trying to stunt the progression of Future Combat systems (which will be a much more effective combat force against the GWOT) etc...is not sound policy by any stretch of the imagination.

I view obama as a threat to American national security, that video assures that!

I think we all could agree on a free, prosperous world, one that excludes itself from nuclear proliferation, wars, and collateral damage that comes from those wars... But we do not live in that type of environment. Obama is naive and delusional if he honestly thinks he will be a uniter, in a world that has never had such a thing throughout all its history. Especially in our time, where the earth is very unstable, when we are at war on multiple fronts, and to cut defense spending, and the weapons that are essential to better combat the enemys of todays and tomorrows wars?!...That is absurd!





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[edit on 15-3-2008 by West Coast]

Originally posted by easynow
reply to post by West Coast

 

I dislike Obama, and Hillary's, insistence on a socialist universal health care system for America.

i agree...

oh lets let all the illegals stay so we can pay for their healthcare

problem is Mcsame wants to let them stay also...

Illegal immigration is one of my main dislikes about McCain... Again, just saying if I had to choose between the lesser of the two evils...

reply to post by West Coast

I do not think you are seeing that video the same way I am.

i think there is no stopping the star wars program at this point because if you do your not going to be the first to have it then and that would mean trouble for us later. that can of worms has already been opened.

i did see exactly what you were saying...and by my response about the star wars project i confirmed that.

i agree Obama's view is extreme ...and the idea of lowering our weapons could be the worst mistake we ever made.

another problem i have with both Democrats is neither one of them has served in the military.

but with all that said it still does not change the fact that Mcsame is going to continue a policy that is undeniably crazy and will imo lead us into another war with other countries. so wich one is really the lesser of the two evil's ?

The Republican Party has abandoned you in favor of a fascist imperialist agenda that is bankrupting the nation. You're right... there's not much difference between the Democrats and the Republicans anymore. Take the true honorable principles of what both parties used to be, and you have the Libertarian Party. We will have a presidential nominee after our convention, although they'll probably be ignored more than Ron Paul.

I understand the despair a Republican of principle must feel right now. McCain is... undesirable. You can only hold your nose and pull the lever so many times before the stench becomes too bad to bear. But an alternative does exist, and it's not in the form of a big blue ass.

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thanks for your post ,

Take the true honorable principles of what both parties used to be, and you have the Libertarian Party.

without Ron Paul running as an independent or a Libertarian... who is going to be the voice of the Libertarians ?


untill the Libertarians rise up and take back this country , the new world order will dictate who they want as their puppet in the white house.

Originally posted by BlueTriangle

Originally posted by easynow
if i am not happy with any candidate should i just not vote ?

I feel your pain. I'm in the exact same boat. I don't think not voting is the solution though. You need to balance your opinions on the war with your other views and pick the option that most closely resembles them. If the war is your #1 issue, vote for whoever the democrat options turns out to be. Otherwise, vote McCain. You need to keep in mind that regardless of whether or not you vote, one of the two is going to win the election. If you don't vote, you have no right to complain for the next 4 years...

[edit on 14-3-2008 by BlueTriangle]

thanks for your post ,

i am going to vote and i hope by the time the election does get there i will have a better vision.

as far as today though ...i feel like a vote for any of them is like saying wich toilet do i want to watch the country go down ? ugly analogy but you get the point.

Originally posted by easynow
i started this thread because i am really and truly frustrated by what i am faced with in this election. i am sick and tired of having these terrible people forced down my throat as candidates to the presidency of the United States wich is the greatest and most important country in the world.

i feel these people represent me and reflect everyone in this country and to have candidates that are imo not worthy of this job is an insult to every American.

i am glad you all have replied because i know that i am not alone in feeling the way i do and to know this really is helping. sorry if this sounds like i am ranting , but i am kinda pissed about it.

As a 38 year-old, I can honestly say, I've heard all the stories from the Civil Rights' era, seen the documentary footage, read books and heard all about Camelot and JFK, but never in my life have I actually seen someone who held that kind of power.

Until now. His name is Barack Obama.

Well, let's see here...

McCain is the same as Bush...

Hillary is a habitual liar and has shown that she'll stoop to any level and go against her WORD to get what she wants. She basically said that the voters don't count compared to the Superdelegates, and is willing to go against our Democratic system....

I guess that leaves Obama. Not a perfect choice, but the best of the 3 hands down. With more legislative experience than Hillary, and at least a stonger record of keeping his word, I think anyone would be foolish to NOT vote for Obama. He is the closest thing to maintaining our freedom and re-establishing our name we have.

Bigbert81 is absolutely correct.

Cut to the chase. McCain (an American hero who has bent over for Bush, for what? the presidency? ) would be Bush3. Endless war.

Hillary is a known deciever and would also be the DLC (Republican light) candidate). More war.

Obama is the only candidate for those who are against the war in Iraq.

Ron Paul is still in the race. In Pa. he is on the top of the ballot. We ( his supporters) have placed many delegates to vote for him in the upcomming general election. His economic policy and knoweledge is unmatched by any other canidate and unmatched by most economists. Illegals ALL go home. War and World Policing/Empire Building Ends. Constitutional Rights Return. IRS & Fed Reserve BANNED & ABOLISHED! No to NAFTA, the NAU and the UN. How bad does it have to get before the general public will vote for real change. Change to the limited government and prosperity we knew 100 years ago. A vote for the lessor of two wrongs is still wrong. So very sad that most people vote for the personality they like instead of the person who will serve us best. Four more years of what weve just been thru will bring us and this country to its knees. Have you ever tried to fight back up from your knees? Stand now and learn about Ron Paul. One person with purpose and just intent becomes a majority.

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thanks for your post ,

i voted for Ron Paul in the Florida primary , so i completely understand your post. however... he can not win the presidential election unless he runs as an independent. please correct me if i am wrong...l

A vote for the lessor of two wrongs is still wrong.

i agree completely...so what do you suggest i do then ?

Four more years of what weve just been thru will bring us and this country to its knees.

unfortunately i believe McCain is going to win and your prediction will probably come true...

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thanks for your post ,

I guess that leaves Obama. Not a perfect choice, but the best of the 3 hands down.

he maybe the best of the three but he scares the crap out of me

no military experience

no detailed plan on dealing with the repercussions of withdrawing the troops from Iraq

religious concerns

racial concerns

everybody seems to think he would be a great president but i am not so sure....sorry