Well, I wish I had the chance to participate in this discussion earlier. Looks like I missed most of it, but I would like to make some comments.
First to TheWalkingFox who says
"One would wonder why you guys are so easy to talk about radical Islam when you refuse to do the same about radical Christians."
and "Now the other reason, is because very few people talk about "radical Islam"
This has not been my observance at all, in fact just the opposite. Most to the people on these forums criticizing Islam are just as willing to
criticize Christianity. I think this statement is nothing but complete nonsense.
In addition, you will that in the western world any crazy radical Christian cult raises its ugly head people here go out of their way to condemn it,
especially if that cult engages in intimidation and threats of death to members who seek to leave the cult, as the Muslim culture openly engages in
Of course then you produced this rant.
"Dude, I know that like any red-blooded Christian American, nothing in the world brings you greater joy than the idea of causing mass murder and
mayhem across an entire region for the crime of belonging to the wrong religion or having the wrong neighbors. I know you salivate over the concept of
bringing the fear of god into the hearts of every man, woman, and child from Morocco to Indonesia. I know that if it doesn't leave a pile of
brown-skinned bodies in its wake, you don't think it's a good idea.
But military action doesn't beat terrorism. Mass killings don't stop terrorism. Politics stop terrorism (see the IRA). Police action catches and
Does violence stop radical terrorist, you betcha it does, it just takes awhile for enough people to get mad enough to do something about it, and that
anger is beginning to build against the Muslim community.
Over five hundred years ago, theCatholic religion was very much like the Muslim religion of today, and so a Monk by the Name of Martin Luther, who
Martin Luther was named after, began the protesting against the radical and oppressive tactics of the Catholic Church. The people of Europe rose up
and fought against its religious opression, and the age of enlightenment flowered in Europe. Many time oppresive and ruthless societies have been
thrown down by violence, most recently the NAZI's in Germany. Yes, violence does work in eliminating ruthless ideologies like religious
Then raze78 produces this crazy statement.
"Its all really non essential, this discussion is invalid. The way I see it, first there were the Nazi's. Even though we know Hitler tried to come
to peace with Churchill, repeatedly, to prevent the second world war."
Is that before or after Hitler began killing Union leaders, intellectuals, communists, gypsies, people with disabilities, and of course jews on a wide
scale? Was this before or after Hitlers tanks rolled over Eastern Europe. Talk abut not having a clue.
I really liked beachcoma's link to Muslim leaders supposedly protesting terrorism. I opened a few on the long list, and got nothing but propaganda
and excuses. One site did state that it was wrong for terrorists to have killed innocent, but that has to the weakest statement imaginable in
protesting Islam. It is like these guys got together and said, "well, we have to say something that we can claim is a statement against terrorism,
so how can we make as minimal of a statement as possible.
Of course there are always the people who say what nice people Muslim's are, but my money says these are all Muslim men that they are talking to.
Next time you get the opportunity, talk to one of their women, and then see how friendly the men can be. I have done this, and murderous looks are
what you get. If you don't believe me, give it a shot. Their friendly as long as you have something that they want. Muslim men are like a guy that
always comes over to your house to drink your beer, but never brings any for you. They let their sons out to hang out, and of course they hit on all
the women there, in my area that means women from all cultures, white, asian, Indian, Latin, but they don't bring their women around. Occasionally
you see a Muslim woman out, and she is very nervous.
You want proof of Muslim atrocities, this is what I consider to be the worst thing about the Muslim religion, and that is the way they treat their
women. They are not an authentic religion, they are a cult.
As far as the radical Islam/moderate Islam or bad Muslim/good Muslim debate, it reminds me of the mother in a family where the father molests the
daughter for years. The mother knows this abuse is going on, but she does nothing about, which in the western world, makes her as guilty as him. She
knew for years that her husband was molesting her daughter and did nothing, therefore she is as guilty as he his, and that is how I see moderate
Muslims. The go along with the cult practice of threatening their children with death should they turn away from the Muslim religion, or in areas
where Muslims have become the majority, they go along with the constant harassment and intimidation of non-muslims, which makes them just as guilty as
those who carry out the brutality.
What is the solution. Offer protection to those of the Muslim religion who seek to escape its grasp. Treat Islam like the cult it is, like we treat
the moffia. If a daughter seeks shelter, and makes a statement to the authorities that she is afraid that her family will kill her, and she is killed
by a family, arrest everyone in the family, and their cleric, and everyone in his congregation. Separate, interrogate, and give the ones who are part
of this conspiracy very long sentences. I'm sure there will be enough in the group willing to testify for a protected freedom from the prison like
environment of the cult.