Originally posted by Beachcoma
First of all let me say that due to my lack of technical expertise, (especially as I've just got in from the pub!), I will have to respond to one
poster at a time, sorry.
....and as much as the Muslims in your country are to blame,
I don't see it as solely being "The Muslims" to blame, Non-Muslims have more than there share of the responsibility.
The difference is, a large proportion of Non-Muslims recognise that and are very public in their condemnation.
I've tried various approaches to make you understand that society is dynamic, fluid and organic. It's not just bits and pieces that are independent
of one another. Each element interacts with the other and affects the actions and influences the mindset of one another. It's all about
communication, by your words and actions.
I fully understand that and agree with you.
Contrary to popular belief, Britain is a very fluid society with constant movement, integration etc within all stata's of society.
It is far easier for "new money" to become part of the "elite" here than in the vast majority of European countries.
We have adopted, adapted and integrated the best of numerous societies and cultures throughout our long history.
We are very good at it.
But those cultures and societies have had to have had a willingness to be part of Britain and British society.
Unfortunately far too many Muslims come to Britain for "a better life", raise their standard of living, then proceed to tell us what is so wrong
with British society.
They also choose to cling onto the vast majority of cultural and religious beliefs which preclude them from integrating into British society thus
furthering their isolation and alienation.
In a way, my failure to communicate to you my points is like a microcosm of the problem you see.
You are communicating perfectly ok and I fully understand everything you are trying to say.
I just don't agree with some of it.
Doesn't make either of us bad people.
Doesn't make either of us stupid.
Just a difference of opinion.
I think essentially we both want the same end objective, we just disagree with how to get there.
In fear of repeating myself, the Middle East could learn a lot from the example and the process which Ireland has gone through.
At times we have to put the past behind us and take a leap of faith (?? from an agnostic??) and make a step change to move forward.
[edit on 29-2-2008 by Freeborn]