The Social Taboo of Criticizing Radical Islam, page 22
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reply posted on 22-3-2008 @ 01:52 PM by babloyi
reply to post by poet1b



Let us put this silly wordplay behind us. Both you and I know what condone means without having to add extra baggage to it.

The murder took place in a Muslim nation, but a Christian committed it. I don't see how connecting it to a 'muslim nation' is of any relevance. How is it of suspicious origin? Let me ask you: Are you seriously claiming that Muslims and only muslims commit honour killings?

I did not deny it was a practice among 'muslims'. I said that it is not an Islamic practice (sanctioned by the Islamic religion, as represented by the Islamic scripture), and that it is not isolated to 'muslims', and that all (or even most) muslims do not support or practice these actions.

I believe the initial post in this thread was about 'radical islam', not islam in general. However, if you wish to criticise islam, no one is going to stop you. However, if you wish to add something that is not islamic, and make it islamic, and then criticise it, then I'm going to laugh at you and call you out. Sorry. I am under no such taboo. If I find something reprehensible about islam, I'll criticise it until I'm blue in the face. Don't worry about me.


reply posted on 22-3-2008 @ 02:40 PM by poet1b
reply to post by babloyi



Oh, sure there are occasions when non-muslim fathers actually kill their daughters because they disapprove of their marriage, but they are extremely rare. While in the Muslim community, this is seen almost regularly, as the article I provided a link to clearly points out. While you claim this is against Islamic beliefs, there are many Muslims who state differently.

I notice that you do not denounce this atrocity of honor killings, nor do you even seem to admit that it is wide spread within the Muslim community.

If you are so willing to criticize the Islam and the Muslim beliefs, then let's hear some valid criticisms. I think a believable, frank denouncement of honor killings would be a good place to start.



reply posted on 22-3-2008 @ 03:01 PM by babloyi
reply to post by poet1b



No, there are not 'occasions' of non-muslim's killing for 'honour' . There are 'practices', with formalised names, and 'village council' backings.

Which muslims state differently from me that honour killings are unislamic? Please clarify.

And you notice I don't denounce? I've been denouncing in every post in this thread since this tangent started. Honour killings are wrong.

A frank denouncement of honour killings is there, but again, you connect it to islam, when I tell you that there is no islamic backing. How is denouncing honour killings a criticism of Islam? Have you read my previous posts in this thread? My last post in this thread before this one? Let me clarify:

HONOUR KILLINGS ARE UNISLAMIC. THERE IS NO ISLAMIC BACKING FOR HONOUR KILLINGS. CRITICISM AND CONDEMNATION OF HONOUR KILLINGS IS NOT CRITICISM OF ISLAM



I get the feeling I might be reprimanded for that. If you understand, however, it just might be worth it . Understand?


reply posted on 22-3-2008 @ 08:53 PM by poet1b
reply to post by babloyi



And I repeat now for the third time, Read the Article I have linked to Twice which clearly does make a strong connection between Muslims and honor killing. The incidents of Muslim honor killings are well recorded and anyone who cares to make a quick search on the internet will find numerous incidents. Just because some tribe in India commits the same type of atrocity does not make the Muslim honor killings justifiable.

I provide an article which clearly writes in depth about the problems of Muslim honor killings and coercive methods of forcing young women to stay in the cult, and you continue to deny it. Why is this?


reply posted on 23-3-2008 @ 03:33 AM by babloyi
reply to post by poet1b


Laserjock is right, this discussion has strayed too far off topic. As a closing remark (as far as this tangential off-topic goes), I'd like to advise you to research this, and find out if it is just 'one tribe'(some people might take offense to you calling the hinduism a tribe ) in India, or a disappointingly widespread phenomenon:


According to a survey done by the Delhi-based Indian Population Statistics Survey (IPSS) in mid-2007, in India almost 655 homicidal cases have been registered as honour killings. While in Punjab and Delhi, the figure touches 32 per cent, in Muzaffarnagar, the worst affected district of Uttar Pradesh, 25 per cent honour killings have been reported so far.


Remember, I cannot spoon-feed all the information. If you care, you will see for yourself.
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