Originally posted by psylence1
To me it begins and ends here:

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." -Declaration of Independence

There is a legitimate argument that supports our being "reduced under absolute Despotism" or at least on our way, and one doesn't have to look very hard to establish a list of "abuses and usurpations". Perhaps Montana is one of the few states with the stones to let the federal government know that among other constitutional and fundementally accepted forms of recourse, they do have the right, in fact the duty, to throw off such a government.

Ok...Help me out here you guys...

Let's say that the people of the US decide to stand up and demand that those words in the Declaration is enforced and that the government is to be replaced.

Do you think that this is possible? I mean with the current people in office and current policies wouldn't all of the people be considered terrorists? I think the Pres. WOULD commit troops to deal with the issue and that seems like (to me) that it could get awful bloody.

The whole thing is really scarey deep down because of the strength the gov has now and the power over it's people. The current administration neither cares for or fears the people that put them there in the first place.
Absolute power is a scarey thing.
Very interesting times we are living in

I think Montana don't really have to worry. Court system can only interpret the law. Anyway I do remember that there is right to own and carry fire in the Contitution. Unless they had change it. That is it still the same law.

Amazing!

Lets hope Montana sets the standard for other states!

The blame should be put upon everyone in history who forced us to create such a large central government. Our framers of the constitution had a great idea. Think of how different the central government was back in the 17 and 1800s. It was very small; the real power lied in the state governments, and to a degree is still true today.

Blame the Nazis and Japan for our huge military. Up till WW1 and WW2 the U.S. was pretty much a neutral country with a small military relative to our size.

Thank those rail road, oil, and steel moguls for creating huge powerful corporations and monopolies in the early 1900s, forcing our federal government to get bigger in order to control these massive business entities. The fall of the stock market, bad credit, stock, and money decision by Americans, forced the Federal government to regulate are economy even more.

Canada never really had these problems, and they don’t have a big central government at all, its provinces are more like there own little countries with prime ministers.

I grew up near Boston in Middlesex county, a lot of revolutionary war history there and you can bet it was shoved down are throats in school. I'm proud of my ancestors who took the first stand against the British. Framingham MA, the town I grew up was the annual meeting spot for the national abolitionist movement during the civil war, and they sent 130 men to fight in the battles of Lexington and Concord during the Revolutionary War. These guys were the ones that practically invented guerrilla warfare, the only way they could stand up to the much more powerful British.

As you can see I'm very patriotic and love my country very much. The ancestors of my friends and family back east fought very hard not to long ago to have a great country. To many in the world the words "U.S.A" are as magical as the "Disney World" for a seven year old. Everyone may hate us but they all still would love to live hear.

You can blame Iraq and bigger World Problems on the U.S. Federal Government. Maybe the people in Montana who want to succeed really just need to move to a different State and have a little change in there lives. As Americans this whole country belongs to us, and instead of living in one place all our lives we should move around and experience how different the people and places really are in our own country, giving us a greater respect for our country as a whole and the uniqueness from the States we came from.

Every State is different with different people, ways and culture. Give the States more power to tailor the laws to suit there own residents.

Many of my friends from Boston could care less about guns. Many of my friends in Washington grew up hunting and keeping guns for protection in the woods against, bears, mountain lions, and crazy drunk rednecks. Though with guns come lots of accidents. I never thought about getting a gun until I went four wheeling in the woods of Washington where everyone has guns, and by the looks of some of those local yokels, I would feel more comfortable with a gun myself.

I drove through Montana three times, a painfully long trek, and I would go crazy myself if I lived in such a big empty for any length of time.


[edit on 21-2-2008 by jojoKnowsBest]

cali also isn't the only state to have only a few large cities deem the laws to be imposed on the rest of the state. ny is a perfect example. ny is a huge state with many rural areas but because of nyc you can't afford to live in them because of the taxes. nyc is the real capital of ny not albany.and forget about handguns. go to oswego sometime- land is dirt cheap and people are losing their homes because of taxes and no jobs. if it wasn't for the 3 colleges and the tourism from fishing they would fold up.

Paging John Titor...

Seriously, I can imagine Montana seceding. I can imagine Alberta seceding from Canada.

I also can imagine Montana and Alberta forming a sort of confederation...

Everyone knows the Federal USA and Canada are broken. One can't help wonder how all the pieces will fall out or if fascist military power will effect a Union of North America.

( By the way, Long Live the Kingdom of Hawaii !!! )

[edit on 21/2/08 by Pellevoisin]

ty thisguy that was my point exactly
and ny'ers move here and try and bring their city life with them and impose it on us and lobby our gov't to suit what they want or are used to.
you don't like it here?go the f### back to ny and pay those taxes instead of raising mine and stop telling me how to act how you want me too. philly is another good one- about 10 years ago pa went from our ccw permit being for the entire state except for cities of the first class- to anywhere in the state- caused an uproar in philly. also i believe pa and va are the only 2 states to enact a law saying it is the citizens RIGHT to hunt and fish. i know there was a court battle over it but eventually we won