Montana threatening Secession !

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If Montana successfully breaks ties with the US , I will be moving to Montana , unless of course it looks like my state my follow suit.
Considering that my state is Texas, that seems a relatively strong possibility. If this works the way it should , before its over the USA could potentially be left with Washington DC, Which would be a small toothless entity

[edit on 13-3-2008 by DwnitsDwn]

reply to post by Dr Love

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Compare the Red states of 2008 and the Red states of 1861. The line has been drawn again, like it or not.

I think its just a PR temper tantrum like when a teenager says to the parent I'm running away or I'm leaving. The only problem is when either side is really serious about it like for instance the parent(US) threatens to ground teenager or teenager(state)actually means on leaving. Then the SHTF. IMHO I just think it's a PR temper tantrum

reply to post by Nailer

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Not sure if this wan mentioned but they should have a nationwide vote on whether to allow Montana to be it's own country. I even think it would pass and Montana's population will increase to over fifty million within one year. That would be interesting and I would consider moving there if it acutally happened. I don't like the weather though, too damn cold.

The only true solution to a country that is split along the lines of the Confederate States of America, including the Midwest, is a SERIOUS secession movement to avoid open warfare once the communist agenda is imposed on one half of the country that voted against this agenda. Coming from a technically occupied nation to this day, there has been talk of this idea for years. A peaceful and legislative exit from the union from sovereign states would be an ideal situation. Unfortunately, this is impossible. When asked in 1860 by Lincolns' cabinet, " Why not just let them go?"...his reply, "what about MY revenue?". Therein lies the answer that there will never be a legislative exit from the Union.

My family served under the CSA in a regiment that suffered the highest attrition rate in the Southern ranks. It was NEVER about slaves, it was about sovereign states choosing to remove themselves from an oppressive Federal government that was a cultural war that transferred from Europe. Just look at the voting lines by the states, still the former (and illegally occupied) CSA votes as a block. The South has the most concentrated African decedents than any other area of the country. Why still then do we consistently vote for less Federal involvement? Never forget that FREED Africans fought against and hated the union( You will not learn that in public "school"). Some I know still do till this day hate the north. Less than 1.5% of the Confederate Army owned slaves and the Confederate States of America BANNED the importation of slaves. Hell, we both are still pissed about Sherman...the result? Two poor classes that have yet to recover. Always the stepchild of America since 1865.

If the states choose to leave, it will bring the yankee , union, NWO , boot down on any state that cuts the revenue of the hordes that are at the gate.

Once the hangover of this one world lapdog socialist starts to bring the hammer down on the 1st, 2nd and 3RD amendment (yes the 3rd I said that), it is far too late. I feel for the African decedents that have been duped into thinking that ANYTHING will change for the positive...he is nothing more than the elitist that has been groomed to wipe his a*& with the Constitution.

This is going to get racial very quick, I do not understand why African decedents that are conservative by nature, would vote for a left wing communist that is opposite of their base church Southern values. Unfortunately, I think this is about race. Which it should never have been. Slavery was WRONG, and it would have been banned EVEN if the South had won.

Good luck to Montana and the rest of the sovereign states of the Republic.
Secession NOW!

African Confederates

African Confederates

Before the War of Northern Aggression Slavery was in the toilet anyway. It was costing twice as much to keep one slave than to keep a horse. The economics of slavery was already a factor in the south. Whats more of the 8 original states that succeeded, the reason given was NOT slavery but the over extension of the DC government on the rights of states to govern themselves. Sounds A LOT like whats happening today!!! When this new administtration and the likes of Pelosi and Reid start in on the legislation they havein their back pockets, don't be surprised that Montana is not alone!!!
MOVIN' TO MONTANA SOON..GONNA BE A DENTILFLOSS TYCOON!!!
JUST ME AND MA' PIGMY PONY!!!

Zindo

Very interesting, any updates on this?
I think if any states in the union deserve their sovereignty back it's Hawaii (and Alaska).
On November 23, 1993, President Clinton signed United States Public Law 103-150, which not only acknowledged the illegal actions committed by the United States in the overthrow of the legitimate government of Hawaii, but also that the Hawaiian people never surrendered their sovereignty. The latter is the most important part of United States Public Law 103-150 for it makes it quite clear that the Hawaiian people never legally ceased to be a sovereign separate independent nation. There is no argument that can change that fact. United States Public Law 103-150, despite its polite language, is an official admission that the government of the United States illegally occupies the territory of the Hawaiian people. In 1999, the United Nations confirmed that the plebiscite vote that led to Hawaii's statehood was in violation of article 73 of the United Nations' charter. The Hawaii statehood vote, under treaty then in effect, was illegal and non-binding. (The same is true of the Alaska plebiscite). In a world where nations are as governed by laws as are men, Hawaii is not and has never legally been a part of the United States. Hawaii was stolen from the Hawaiian people, and they want it back.
Zindo - that Zappa song was the first thing that popped into my head when I read this, haha. Good stuff!

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Man I dig your style and you seem to have a grasp on TRUE history Zindo. Love the the Empire helmet and pirate look.

See you 72 miles NE of Billings.....well only if it is serious. If not. I die by Dixie.


And you are correct as can be Metatron, now you see how we still feel to this day in the occupied territory( as well as the free Republic of TX)? Only the Army of VA surrendered. The Senators and Representatives that "voted" the South back into the union were never elected by the CSA or as a conquered people. They were APPOINTED at the barrel of a musket...how's that for Constitutional infringement?




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It may sound crazy but I would be 100% behind a mass secession by the south. I mentioned it yesterday in another thread, and if it could ever happen I would be the first one to sign up for it.

Give us back everything south of Richmond VA and the libs and the blue states can do whatever the hell they want with the rest. There is obviously a serious conflict in this country between two distinctly different lifestyles and belief systems and it isnt going to go away any time soon.

Eventually someone is going to get backed into a corner and before you know it there will be serious violence. And no this isnt in any way about race, it is about personal rights and sustaining a way of life that will surely wither away or die under this new regime.

No more oppressive federal government, no more Draconian laws, no more taking orders from the crooks and puppets in Washington DC. The blue state people can finally get rid of the guns, no more "ignorant red states" dragging them down in their supreme quest for socialism and neo communism.


All a dream I know, but right now thats about all anyone has to cling to. If Texas ever gets up the courage to make the move consider me a Texan, Im not so sure about Montana though...it's a little nipply in the winter time for my taste

Hmm. If I sell my house in NY, will you Southerners/Montanians take my liberal money? I have been looking for an excuse to get back out of this state?

Btw, what is the proper term for people from Montana? I just made that word up, or did I?

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I was born in TX. Originally we were from the now occupied state of GA (I wish we could secede from Atlanta). People do not understand that this is a cultural war that has been fought against the two different classes from Europe to this day between WHITE peoples. I have nothing in common with most Northerners (do not take offense because I know there are fine Patriots that hail from that region). It is ideological reasons that led us in this occupied territory that bled the fields across this once great nation and across the world in Federalist wars that were unnecessary. I pray for a peaceful solution, but unfortunately..... I fear a repeat of what has passed this nation once before.

We will all not lie down like dogs once the ramparts of the very freedoms we have left are trampled. I will NEVER surrender to a REX 84 camp for defending what my bloodline has defended since Concord and Manassas.

Oh, and by the way, it all started with a dream.

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reply to post by AHostileMe

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Sure, until the Feds stop taking your "liberal" money, your more than welcome.
The main thing is...can you keep a 1 " group at 150 yds. Cause that paper in the future will not save your family, feed you or end this tyrannical system.

But it will buy you one helluva spread in Montana or the Blueridge.

reply to post by shai hulud

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Im right there with you. I was born and raised on a tabacco farm 1.5 hrs southwest of Richmond, VA. The oak tree in the front yard of my gradad's farm has steel shot still in the bark from fighting during the war.

I have no choice but to be true to my roots, because in times of despair that is all you can really count on.


I found this video a while back, it really had an effect on me so I decided to share it with all of my fellow rebs on ATS. Hope you like it. Cheers.

YouTube Link

reply to post by BlackOps719

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I feel you man, I've been to all the battlefields from the War for Independence and the War foe Southern Independence. Love the vid man. Seriously. Here is one for you, this is basically my family's story since reconstruction. But we made it out. Hell they may ban me for this but...if they do they don't know good music.

If That Aint Country

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