Montana threatening Secession !

AWESOME!!! I hope TX follows their lead.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
I'm afraid that wouldn't go far enough. There are states like California so huge and diverse the people in San Fran and San Diego and LA don't want guns but all the ranchers do. Look at New York and how NYC bullies the entire state. New York state is mostly agricultural and very sparsely populated. NYC is an overstuffed chicken coup packed on an island. They have little to nothing in common with their neighbors in Boonville or Buffalo.

You hit the nail on the head. NYC elects the governor of NY. If you ever want to be governor of NY, just suck up to NYC and promise them the world. There are just enough people down there to out vote Upstate NY.

reply to post by TXMACHINEGUNDLR


I too would hope that Texas would do so, however, I think there are to many puppet corporations there.

Well if thats what montana wants they should do it.

I know of quite a few states that tried even citys like NYC

Southern OR and Northern CA was trying for State of Jefferson

any how

I can see it now
"Damn Montanians jumping the boarder taking our jobs"



What about the the US interstate that runs through it.
Would we need passports to go from one state to the other while going through?
Taxed for using it?

What about yellowstone?

I was going to post this earlier last night but instead went to bed.

Theres been many attempts for this but none happened, even down to the counties joining other states.

makes ya wonder

reply to post by jerico65


Its not just NYC. Its that way in virtually any election, anywhere. Whoever says they'll give the voters the most shiny new toys and other 'free' stuff almost always wins.

People are morons. They have no clue that all they're doing is allowing themselves to be turned into government dependents.

just in case you wonder
I do believe this link was posted before List of U.S. state secession proposals
but adding the following
by county

State of Jefferson

State of NYC

Originally posted by EvilBat

What about the the US interstate that runs through it.
Would we need passports to go from one state to the other while going through?
Taxed for using it?

What about yellowstone?

I was going to post this earlier last night but instead went to bed.

Theres been many attempts for this but none happened, even down to the counties joining other states.

makes ya wonder

Washington Residents for $15 can get a new drivers license with a bar code that gets scanned at the Canadian border, so Washington residents with this feature will be able to cross the border without a passport when passports are required for everyone else. I think passports are out and this is the new wave of the future.

[edit on 21-2-2008 by jojoKnowsBest]

reply to post by EvilBat


That is an amazing find there.. really enjoyed reading it..

My favorite:

In the 1950s, Letcher County, Kentucky, threatened to secede from the state, demanding better roads in the area. The threats subsided when Governor A.B. Chandler indicated that he did not care.

I found that hillarious.

If anything comes from this... it will be suprising. I'm hoping it does though... it's too big to be covered up by the controlled media. Just like 9/11 now, slowly bursting out of the box.

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by kozmo
WAY TO GO MONTANA - That is EXACTLY how our founding fathers intended it to be!

What, for the US to dissolve?

Vermont and Montana are both spending time and money on these resolutions. Wouldn't it make more sense to spend the money on something worthwhile and work within the government for change?

The "cut and run" mentality is really getting tiresome.

BUT, you forget that when the congress and seenate are useless and cowed and will not stop the executive from taking control, then the People have lost any efective means of changing the system. Money and time will NOT change anything. The bad guiys in charge HAVE money and they already devoted the time to gaining control legally and literally, if nor Constiutionally.

When a ' liberal ' like Henry Waxman holds hearings on Roger Clemens drug use or lack thereof, and yet will not host a single forum on SIBEL EDMONDS, you know that the die is cast. The anthrax mailings to the two Dem. senators that killed some dozen Americans sent a very loud and clear message from the Cheny/NWO crowd: Go with the flow or away you go. Eisenhower wraned us and we ignored him and went back to the TV and football. The politicnas know very well what the deal is and keeping alive and playing the game and collecting the cash for as long as possible is good enough for them!!

So, we have no way to effectively petition congress for redress of grievances, the powers that be are malignant and criminal, and the original vision of the UNITEC states was independednt nations within a nation that were bound only by need of a common defense of the borders and the desire to trade between entities. A central government was to be small and ultimately a mere place for the state leaders to discuss and agree on maters of common interest and to manage and equip a standing army for future defensive neds in case of war.

Thats all. a retyurn to that doesn't seem such s stretch when it was really the goal of states all along: A citizen could go to any state that suited him and live, choosing a liberal of conservative town or locale as he wished.

Would'nt that be a great way to live?

The right to bear arms is a natural right of resistance and self preservaton that makes us the U.S. of America.
The upper echelon of our society thinks they now whats best for the rest of us sheeple. They will not stop trying to remove our firearms. Without them our life of freedoms and liberties will wilt into a socialist state of perpetual governance of govenment by the elite class for the sake of their own self preservation. History calls it Aristocracy.
Only our unique right to bear arms stands in their way form total social, political, and economic dominance.
Think not. Then how come for the last twenty years we have only had two families sit in the whitehouse and they are doing their dead level best to add another 4-8 years.
Machiavellian Dynasty?

Here is another link I found

scottwagner.blogspot.com...

Montana politicians are now on record in suggesting that a “Collective Rights” Supreme Court ruling in the Washington, D.C. gun ban case would violate an agreement made with the United States when their state joined the union one hundred and nineteen years ago.

Montana Secretary of State Brad Johnson sent a letter to the Washington Times, and many Montana politicians have signed onto a resolution, notifying the United States Supreme Court that any “Collective Rights” holding in the D.C. V. Heller case, currently before the court, will violate Montana’s compact with the United States by which it entered the union in 1889. Secretary of State Brad Johnson’s Communications Director, Mr. Bowen Greenwood, confirmed the resolution by telephone with me this afternoon.

The text of the resolution is as follows.

AN EXTRA-SESSION RESOLUTION OF INDIVIDUAL LEGISLATORS OF THE 60TH MONTANA LEGISLATURE AND OTHER ELECTED MONTANA OFFICIALS URGING THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT THAT ANY "COLLECTIVE RIGHTS" HOLDING IN D.C. V. HELLER WILL VIOLATE MONTANA'S COMPACT WITH THE UNITED STATES, THE CONTRACT BY WHICH MONTANA ENTERED THE UNION IN 1889.

WHEREAS, the United States Supreme Court (Court) has agreed to review and decide the case of D.C. v. Heller appealed to it from the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals;

WHEREAS, the Court has agreed to consider the question, "Whether the following provisions — D.C. Code secs. 7-2502.02(a)(4), 22-4504(a), and 7-2507.02 — violate the Second Amendment rights of individuals who are not affiliated with any state-regulated militia, but who wish to keep handguns and other firearms for private use in their homes";

WHEREAS, when the Court determines in Heller whether or not the Second Amendment secures an individual right, the Court will establish precedent that will affect the State of Montana and the political rights of the citizens of Montana;

WHEREAS, when Montana entered into statehood in 1889, that entrance was accomplished by a contract between Montana and the several states, a contract known as The Compact With The United States (Compact), found today as Article I of the Montana Constitution;

WHEREAS, with authority from Congress acting as agent for the several states, President Benjamin Harrison approved the Montana Constitution in 1889, which secured the right of "any person" to bear arms, clearly intended as an individual right and an individual right deemed consistent then with the Second Amendment by the parties to the contract;

WHEREAS, the wording of the Second Amendment and the Montana right to bear arms, now Article II, Section 12, exist today in form and wording identical to that agreed upon by the citizens of Montana and the United States in 1889 and unchanged since then; and

WHEREAS, a contract, compact or treaty must be implemented consistent with the terms and understandings in place at the time entered into.

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED by the undersigned members of the 60th Montana Legislature as follows:

1. That any form of "collective rights" holding by the Court in Heller will offend the Compact; and

2. That the Second Amendment and the Montana right to bear arms are both statements securing a preexisting right from government interference, and do not confer any boon of government upon the people; and

3. The level of review for the Montana right to bear arms and for the Second Amendment are specified within those declared rights -- "shall not be infringed" for the Second Amendment, and "shall not be called in question" for the Montana right to bear arms;

4. Montana reserves all usual rights and remedies under historic contract law if its Compact should be violated by any "collective rights" holding in Heller;

5. The undersigned incorporate by reference here a more thorough, attached explanation of the contract argument advanced; and

6. The undersigned legislators appreciate the attention of the Court to this argument on behalf of Montana and its citizens.


Including the Montana Secretary of State, the initial 39 signers of the resolution include Montana United States Congressman Denny Rehberg, and various Democrat and Republican Montana state legislators.

In addition to the 2nd Amendment of the United States Constitution, Section 12 of the Montana State Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms. The text is as follows:

The right of any person to keep or bear arms in defense of his own home, person, and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but nothing herein contained shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons.

We in Montana, who are tired of seeing our United States Constitutional Rights violated in many areas, applaud this declaration by our lawmakers and are happy that they are in effect drawing a line in the sand. Perhaps we can also get them to do something similar regarding the 4th Amendment and the FISA reauthorization that was passed by the United States Senate currently under consideration in the House.

Links:

Montana, the Second Amendment and D.C. v. Heller: www.progunleaders.org...

Letter to Washington Times: www.washingtontimes.com.../20080219/EDITORIAL/646772049&template=nextpage

reply to post by Black_Fox


If our Goverement TORTUES peolpe to save Americian lives, THen torture all you want. Go get em. If taping phone calls also saves Americian lives then tape away. There's already computers that listen for key-phrases in-country it's the out of country call's and like on a higher level.
Personally I'am glad George Bush is President.
We went into Iraq on bad info. the same info the world got., They even suckered Hiliary Clinton. She approved & supported going in.
Question??? Have we been attacked in the USA since or not. That would be his good point.
Fuel is to high, affordable health care is to high, Cutting taxes is good.
We went into IRAQ on bad intell. But we cannot leave as of yet. Do you really want to open the door to IRAN by pulling out now. WWII ended years ago yet were all over EUROP, The keorian war isin't officialy over just an extended cease fire. We pull out of there KIM SUNG has stated he'll take S.K. but not with the USA standing guard.
Probally I'am wasting my time here but I remain open to idea's and hope other ATS members are ='ly the same. I'am not DEM. nor REP. just a moderate NASCAR Christian

Originally posted by smarteye
reply to post by TXMACHINEGUNDLR

 

I too would hope that Texas would do so, however, I think there are to many puppet corporations there.

prob true.....however it would not stop many TX residents from heading up north to help out!

Way to go MONTANA Robert E. LEE would be proud. The C.S.A. is alive & well in 2008. Missouri will join.
State rights over federal rights. This is how it should be.

Originally posted by barmshadow84
reply to post by Black_Fox

 

If our Goverement TORTUES peolpe to save Americian lives, THen torture all you want. Go get em. If taping phone calls also saves Americian lives then tape away. There's already computers that listen for key-phrases in-country it's the out of country call's and like on a higher level.
Personally I'am glad George Bush is President.
We went into Iraq on bad info. the same info the world got., They even suckered Hiliary Clinton. She approved & supported going in.
Question??? Have we been attacked in the USA since or not. That would be his good point.
Fuel is to high, affordable health care is to high, Cutting taxes is good.
We went into IRAQ on bad intell. But we cannot leave as of yet. Do you really want to open the door to IRAN by pulling out now. WWII ended years ago yet were all over EUROP, The keorian war isin't officialy over just an extended cease fire. We pull out of there KIM SUNG has stated he'll take S.K. but not with the USA standing guard.
Probally I'am wasting my time here but I remain open to idea's and hope other ATS members are ='ly the same. I'am not DEM. nor REP. just a moderate NASCAR Christian

The government torturing people dosent protect us.
It has never been proven that torturing anyone protects America.
Its never even been proven that torturing people get reliable information.
Most of the people tortured will say anything and everything to stop the torture.They will admit to everything from 9/11 to creating the universe,if it will end the torture.
And if you can recall or look it up,America and the rest of the world tried and hung the Nazis for torture,torture which included waterboarding.

And tapping peoples phones without a warrant or probale cause is a violation of our civil liberties,this is America,not Nazi Germany.
And from what I can tell,most of the wire tapping was done illegaly.

And have we been attacked since?
Well no,but that hasnt stopped the government and media lying about attempts.
Look at most of the so-called terroist plots that have been "prevented".Then go back and look at how many of them have been let go and found not guilty.
And I've never been 100% convimienced that we were "attacked" on 9/11 by a foriegn terroist.
There is reason to believe that they could have been assisted by members of our own government.
And if this government couldnt stop the massive attack on 9/11,how are they suppose to stop a terroist attack here in America now by phone tapping and torture?
How would they stop a terroist from walking into a mall or restaraunt with a bomb on him and blowing himself up?
So all this torture and endless war isnt making any of us safer.

And the war in Iraq,you admit we,as well as the world, have been lied to about it.
And you dont think there is reason to believe we are lied to about the fear and threats sold to us daily?
We cant leave Iraq,why?
We left Vietnam and it turned out fine.
We cant "win" a war in Iraq,when its being called a "War on Terror".
You cant win a war on a idea and tatic through millitary means.
This war only serves to benefit its profitiers,and makes the families of those soldiers lost suffer.
And how is it that "we" are staving off Iran?
What needs our protecting from Iran?Israel?Ya right!
Israel has a more powerful millitary than Iran,in fact we sell them all their jets and millitary supplies.
Israel HAS nukes,more than enough to handle itself against Iran.
So your disire to want the U.S to police the world is without reason.
And your quick desire to allow this government to do whatever it deems neccesary without question,is scary.


[edit on 21-2-2008 by Black_Fox]

reply to post by barmshadow84


Not states like Illinois I hope. Governor there has been said by many to have gone mad/insane with the wasteful spending he has going. Illinois is a perfect model of how things could occur if the rest of America heads in the same direction.

It's not just sucession, there are fights brewing out there.
New Jersey, Delaware dispute their border

In the New Jersey dispute with Delaware the governor of New Jersey reminded the governor of Delaware that the Battleship New Jersey moored just 20 miles upriver might be brought into service:-)

The border battle has prompted some tongue-in-cheek banter about mustering the Delaware National Guard to protect its territory. Jersey officials responded by saying they might redeploy the battleship New Jersey, now a tourist attraction, into the contested region.

www.csmonitor.com...

Now Georgia wants to land grab? (water grab) the Tennesee river by changing its border's
with Tennesee.

Mapmaker's border error raises new water war front

www.ajc.com...

boundary between Georgia and Tennessee.

In 1818, a University of Georgia mathematician named James Camak established the boundary between Georgia and Tennessee. He screwed up. Georgia, especially during times of drought, has paid the price ever since.

"The Tennessee River was part of Georgia long before there was a state of Tennessee"

Lucky there are no Battleships stationed in the Tennesee river

Originally posted by Eagle1229

Lucky there are no Battleships stationed in the Tennesee river

At least not this far. Battleships can come in a variety of designs and sizes. They can range from small speedboats all the way to Aircraft Carriers.

Edit: Also, there are small Coast Guard boats that patrol some of America's rivers, so they might count for something.

[edit on 21-2-2008 by spec_ops_wannabe]

Originally posted by spec_ops_wannabe
reply to post by barmshadow84

 

Not states like Illinois I hope. Governor there has been said by many to have gone mad/insane with the wasteful spending he has going. Illinois is a perfect model of how things could occur if the rest of America heads in the same direction.

Tell me about it as I live in Illinois. Rod Blowdabitch our governor of gestapo land. No CCW permits period!! You need the FOID card to buy guns/ammo FOID ( Firearms owner Identification).