Holocaust Reparations Bill could cost Americans 200 Billion Dollars

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Well, it's my understanding that there are a lot of holocaust survivors who are deeply critical of Israeli policies and attitudes, and that in some occasions, the antipathy has been returned. I seem to recall at least one Israeli newspaper stating the holocaust survivors had been "indoctrinated into antisemitism" or some such.

From my viewpoint, there does seem to be a "use them and lose them" attitude from the Israeli government towards the holocaust survivors.

I agree with whoever said reperations should be paid to American Indians, but since the united states and its settlers continue to colonize them (meaning that the usa and her settlers failed to exterminate them as per the plan), its safe to say that native americans will never get their reperations as demanded by international law. first of all, the united states would have to be dismantled as nazi germany was, and the sovereign nations of american indians would have to be decolonized. since the united states is the satellite government in charge of funding israel's military, i guess the chosen people are the only holocaust USA will ever acknowledge. The romani are neglected and they suffered greater proportional losses of their people during the same holocaust!
but anyway, US corporations did directely benefit from the Holocaust - IBM eugenics code numbers tattooed on holocaust victim flesh comes to mind as proof. The recruitment of top nazi human testers and rocket scientists by the US military (project paperclip) also goes to show that the US military ultimately benefited from the Holocaust. I don't know exactly where I stand on this issue, my reply is kind of a gut reaction. But I don't agree with anybody who declares that the USA is guilt free in the WW2 holocaust scenario. Didn't we neglect our fellow humans until the last year of World War 2? Ultimately, we have plenty of victims. We need to pay more reparations to the Japanese, Iraqis, African and Native victims of America, the sovereign Nation of Hawaii that the Navy invaded and colonized, Panama, and many other nations - basically everybody we as a country have engaged in genocide against, including but not exclusively toward holocaust survivors.

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Originally posted by Question
reply to post by DimensionalDetective

 

I'm sorry, but this just doesn't make a lick of sense... The way I see it, WE (americans) helped save the holocaust survivors (whom by the way, was not limited to JUST jews, there were also handicapped people who were put to death and POW's as well.) so... exactly why are WE, the people who helped save them in the first place, have to pay any reparations bill???? shouldn't they be nagging the germans/italians/japanese for this? Oh right... I forgot, this is just another B.S. bill for politicians to get even more of our hard earned money while they sit on their ivory towers.

I think that you, and others who call this reparations, need to go back and read the article thoroughly. Maybe do some additional research.

There are no "reparations". There is nothing "funded by the American taxpayer".

These are insurance claims that were never paid out. It's between the claimants and the insurance companies. We only get involved because the claimants want to use the US court system.

Originally posted by Question
Edit to add: I'd like to add though that I do agree with thewalkingfox in that if reparations are going to be paid, it should make sense and should not involve tax payers, but the people committing the fraud (A.K.A these insurance companies and the companies/individuals that actually help fund the german war machine... anyone up for rounding up the Bush's, IBM, et al?)

You're being misled, my friend. No reparations. Insurance companies being sued to pay out valid claims, that's all.

How does that involve you or your wallet?

How about reparations from rich Jews for the families of the dead US servicemen who went to war against the Nazis?

Originally posted by blueorder
How about reparations from rich Jews for the families of the dead US servicemen who went to war against the Nazis?

Yes, good idea. Also, I could sue the cab driver I used last night because of the food poisoning I got in the restaurant he drove me home from.

Is it your suggestion that the US went to war solely to save the Jews from mass-slaughter? Or would you be looking to seek reparations from Britain as well for the cost of supporting them on D-Day? Or France for the cost of liberation?

jsobecky is quite right. There's no conspiracy here. This is about withheld insurance payouts. The taxpayer is untouched by this - unfortunately the same cannot be said by people reading anti-semitic propaganda sites masquerading as "news".

What nonsense.

LW

Originally posted by LoneWeasel

Yes, good idea. Also, I could sue the cab driver I used last night because of the food poisoning I got in the restaurant he drove me home from.

Indeed, you do realise my example wasn't serious, I trust your cab driver can rest easy from a possible law suit................

Is it your suggestion that the US went to war solely to save the Jews from mass-slaughter? Or would you be looking to seek reparations from Britain as well for the cost of supporting them on D-Day? Or France for the cost of liberation?

"solely", wars are not for "sole" reasons, but it was a bloody nice bonus point if itwasn't the main driving force!

You have singularly missed the point, I want reparations for no one, not for 200 year old slaves, not for Jews who died at the hands of nazis, not for white christians who were enslaved by North Africans- NONE OF THEM

jsobecky is quite right. There's no conspiracy here. This is about withheld insurance payouts. The taxpayer is untouched by this - unfortunately the same cannot be said by people reading anti-semitic propaganda sites masquerading as "news".

I never mentioned conspiracy.


The "taxpayer" is untouched by this- really, how about

"This act will give Holocaust™ survivors, heirs, dependents, and others, access to U.S. courts for the purpose of entertaining legal actions against insurance companies, even when those claims have already been denied by European Courts. And let them pursue legal action and seek redress--MONEY--against insurance or RELATED companies and seek damages. (Related Companies? Is no one safe from the latest Holocaust™ money extortion scheme?)"

does the legal system exist in a bubble, do Americans not pay taxes towards their legal system- most odd!

Also, who do you think pays for increased insurance premiums- the men on the moon!


Furthermore, I quote

"In part, this act reads "... including a review of the underlying rationale of the United States Government's decision to refuse the Jewish and other refugees entry, the information the United States Government received or acquired suggesting such refusal was necessary, the perceived benefit of such refusal, and the impact of such refusal on the refugees."



Specifically involving the US govt, and consequently the taxpayers who fund the government.


All this will do is make a lot of lawyers even richer- pathetic







[edit on 18-2-2008 by blueorder]

Originally posted by blueorder
Indeed, you do realise my example wasn't serious, I trust your cab driver can rest easy from a possible law suit................

Wouldn't bet on it, the amount cab drivers charge in London is genuinely criminal.

I never mentioned conspiracy.


The "taxpayer" is untouched by this- really, how about

"This act will give Holocaust™ survivors, heirs, dependents, and others, access to U.S. courts for the purpose of entertaining legal actions against insurance companies, even when those claims have already been denied by European Courts. And let them pursue legal action and seek redress--MONEY--against insurance or RELATED companies and seek damages. (Related Companies? Is no one safe from the latest Holocaust™ money extortion scheme?)"

Perhaps my cabbie IS in trouble after all, then - OK, I take your point. Certainly about the lawyers, if nothing else. But in a litigious country like yours (and mine, come to that) to blame an individual race for the costof a tax-funded legal system where it's too easy to sue is a little bit disingenuous, in my view.

The amount of money that goes into funding tenuous insurance claims is almost certainly absurd, but the context of this particular argument is life insurance claims that were not paid out after the war. It seems to me like a reasonable claim - and after all, simply allowing the insurance companies to be challenged in court is not in itself the same as paying up - which has every right to go before a court if a settlement is considered to be unfair.

"Related" companies presumably means, or would be taken to mean by a court, a company related to the financing of life insurance policies taken out before the war. I don't see anything sinister in that, myself.

As for this ongoing Holocaust TM gag - we get it - can we drop it now? The joke is getting a little tired, and I'm not sure what it adds to your case.


LW

Originally posted by NGC2736
And now some of you dislike Jews to the point that you would rather see a bloated wealthy group like the world banking and insurance cartels get by with an outright theft, than to see a Jew get what his father or uncle paid for?

First: No, I don't dislike jews so much.

Second: Get what his father or uncle paid for? Does that mean I get all the insurance money that my father and uncles pay for? Just curious, because I always thought that insurance only paid out to the insurance holder, not all their relatives too?

What's wrong with standing up for what's right, no matter who is right and who is wrong?

Nothing wrong with it. I want MY reporations for the US decimating MY people. Where's MY money and support from the government?

Oh, that's right, I'm not jewish and don't have the jewish lobby behind me.

Originally posted by NGC2736
They need to organize, and we need to support them. Those who got screwed in Katrina deserve to be treated fairly. But we have to get the political hacks out of D.C.

Sure, the Jews have gotten the ball rolling. Don't blame them for working harder at it, and twisting more arms. We ought to be doing the exact same thing over EVERY case where fraud and corruption allow these big boys to win at the expense of the rest of us.

This, I can totally agree with. But, my problem with it is when the use of government money is used to "sue" an insurance company. Why does the government even have to be involved?

Originally posted by LoneWeasel
As for this ongoing Holocaust TM gag - we get it - can we drop it now? The joke is getting a little tired, and I'm not sure what it adds to your case.


LW

I didn't "raise" it so to speak, it was included as part of the cut and paste I used from the article itself

Originally posted by Griff


First: No, I don't dislike jews so much.

Second: Get what his father or uncle paid for? Does that mean I get all the insurance money that my father and uncles pay for? Just curious, because I always thought that insurance only paid out to the insurance holder, not all their relatives too?

exactly, how far do we take this concept- does the daughter of a rapist now have to do time for her father's crime!?!

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Only the Zionist Jews would think of somthing so greedy and underhanded.

I don't understand why the US courts would be involved. Are they US insurance companies refusing to pay on claims? How many German Jews who ended up in concentrration camps bought insurance from American companies? Why have their claims been denied in European courts and why should American courts do what European courts won't?

Ok-so reparations was the wrong word to use in this instance.

Which means this is off-topic, but you all started it!

BUT! If anyone gets reparations (not that they will), they ought to include all the people sent here as indentured servants (when they were actually just on the wrong side of some politician back home). Maybe they were only enslaved for seven years, but it was slavery nonetheless.

Originally posted by Griff

Second: Get what his father or uncle paid for? Does that mean I get all the insurance money that my father and uncles pay for? Just curious, because I always thought that insurance only paid out to the insurance holder, not all their relatives too?

Nothing wrong with it. I want MY reporations for the US decimating MY people. Where's MY money and support from the government?

Oh, that's right, I'm not jewish and don't have the jewish lobby behind me.

Insurance companies pay the Beneficiary of the insurance policy. The holder is the policy is the person who started the policy. Kind of hard to collect the money on your own life insurance policy because you were killed by Nazi's. The beneficiary of a policy is whoever you list and in cases were the beneficiary cannot receive the money the next of kin get the money. ie. I have a life insurance policy. My wife is the first beneficiary and my mother is the second beneficiary. Should we all be killed in the same accident that money doesn't vanish into thin air. The insurance company must still pay whoever is in line as my next of kin. Not that complicated right?

And again, no, the US government is not paying reparations and not one line in that bill says they are paying reparations. This Bill does allow the US government to go after any insurance companies who are still refusing to this day to pay the beneficiaries of insurance policies because of cheap contract technicalities like not having the proper death paperwork. Imagine that huh, the Nazi's weren't filing the paperwork when they killed people.

I will never understand people I guess. The government is damned in all directions. They do a lot of bad stuff no doubt, but here some government workers are trying to help a group of people put right a huge injustice that has never been fixed and they still catch hell. But I think what bothers me the most about this topic is how websites and ATS posters try to twist the issue into something else using false information and hysteria fears so they can fight against the topic. That's wrong.

Considering that "modern" racial segregation and eugenics were invented in the USA. And that Rockefeller/Carnegie/Harriman money was used to inject those theories to the german academic circles... the roots of the holocaust do lead to USA, to Cold Spring Harbour and Wall Street..

Well I got a link where the entire bill is posted and explained, the problem with money used from US tax payer may come in this part of the bill.

Now it is unclear how this will work if the client have not money but the court and the law will supplied with all the fees.

This only can be achieved by the state.

(5) ATTORNEYS FEES- In an action under this subsection, a court shall award a successful claimant reasonable attorneys fees and costs incurred in investigating and prosecuting the claim.

www.theorator.com...

I don't see anything there that said that the client will reimburse any fees back.

People this process will cost money is not free.

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Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by NGC2736
And now some of you dislike Jews to the point that you would rather see a bloated wealthy group like the world banking and insurance cartels get by with an outright theft, than to see a Jew get what his father or uncle paid for?

First: No, I don't dislike jews so much.

Just a little, eh?

Originally posted by Griff
Second: Get what his father or uncle paid for? Does that mean I get all the insurance money that my father and uncles pay for? Just curious, because I always thought that insurance only paid out to the insurance holder, not all their relatives too?

I think the assumption here is that the offsprings and nephews/nieces, etc. are the named beneficiaries on the contested policies.

Originally posted by Griff
I want MY reporations for the US decimating MY people. Where's MY money and support from the government?

Which people are those? Do you have a valid claim?

Originally posted by marg6043

(5) ATTORNEYS FEES- In an action under this subsection, a court shall award a successful claimant reasonable attorneys fees and costs incurred in investigating and prosecuting the claim.

www.theorator.com...

I don't see anything there that said that the client will reimburse any fees back.

People this process will cost money is not free.

Actually that means the insurance companies will be responsible for paying the court costs if they lose their case. The court is not paying - they "award" a judgment. This happens in almost all court cases. The losing side pays for the trial.

You are right as in it will cost some money. But the state will fight for the rights of any consumer. If you have a problem with your credit card company or your insurance company you can contact and file a report with your states Attorney Generals office. That is a government agency that will investigate your claim on your behave using tax payer money. These people, regardless of religious status or race, have a claim against insurance companies.

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Originally posted by marg6043
Well I got a link where the entire bill is posted and explained, the problem with money used from US tax payer may come in this part of the bill.

Now it is unclear how this will work if the client have not money but the court and the law will supplied with all the fees.

This only can be achieved by the state.

(5) ATTORNEYS FEES- In an action under this subsection, a court shall award a successful claimant reasonable attorneys fees and costs incurred in investigating and prosecuting the claim.

Marg, the above paragraph is standard. If someone sucessfully sues, they are often awarded their costs of litigation, i.e., lawyers fees. What's the issue you're trying to raise?

Originally posted by marg6043
I don't see anything there that said that the client will reimburse any fees back.

Once again, what is the issue? Judges have the authority to exact fees, so...?

Originally posted by marg6043
People this process will cost money is not free.

That's OK, that's the cost of justice. Maybe we can start to be a bit smarter, and throw out cases like the lady who sued McDonalds because she spilled hot coffee on her lap, or the judge who sued the drycleaner for losing his trousers.

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My friend 60 or more year old insurances polices that more often than not are going be outside of the US are going to cost money for somebody that has no mean to afford the investigation.

investigations, research and so on now where the money to finance that is coming from?

Where it said that people with successfull claims will be told to pay anything back.

You can laugh anything you want but the truth is that somebody has to put the money to start the process.