Originally posted by marg6043
I know you wasn't laughing at the me but rather at the whole issue been debated, here.

I find very out of place that legislation has to be passed for this, like having US government backing this pursue of claim is going to influence foreign governments into giving in for the people involved when many of this insurances companies or groups are going to be out of business by now.

I still do not see how can this help anybody with claims no originated in the US.

I think it might help if you put yourself in their shoes. Lets say in this example that you were effected by the holocaust. Your mother and father both paid for life insurance policies through insurance companies in the 1930's which happen to still be around to this day. During WWII your mother and father were rounded up by the Nazi's and killed while in a concentration camp. You happened to survive and make it to American where you became a US citizen. After the war is over you find out that not only did your parents die in a horrible inhuman fashion but now you must fight equally inhuman insurance companies which do not want to pay out for the deaths of so many people. So these companies find any technicality or small print reason to deny the claims. Now, after decades of hopeless struggle the US government is lending a hand to help right a huge injustice. You can now file a claim with the government and let them go after the judgment which was rightfully yours to begin with. There is nothing about this process that even requires you to be a Jew. This policy effects millions of non-jews also. Anyone who did not receive the benefits of an insurance policy because of Holocaust-era policies by insurers are eligible.

[edit on 18-2-2008 by zerotime]

Still makes no sense what so ever to used legislation for this type of issues.

It seems that our constitutions is to be use as a backing for this bill.

But it doesn't apply because the holocaust was after the constitutions was written.

(19) Due to lower court interpretations of the Garamendi case, this Act expresses the intent of Congress to legislate to the maximum extent allowed by the Constitution regarding the rights of Holocaust survivors and the heirs and beneficiaries of Holocaust victims to obtain information from insurers and to bring actions in United States courts to recover unpaid funds from entities that participated in the theft of family insurance assets or the affiliates of such entities.

Also this bill will extend to Jews outside the US and living in other nations

Now I don't care about any of the insurance companies that will be targeted if the they owed money they should pay, but what I find very disturbing is why legislations is needed and to the extend is been intended for this.


Where is the retribution to slavery victims forced to come to the new world for work against their will?

Or where is the compensation for all the native Americans that were killed when this nation was raped and conquered.

People are always been complaining about this two issues in this nation, so I see no problem with people been against this piece of legislation.

See my point, the whole entire issue makes not sense for congress to get involved, it looks like favoritism for one groups of people over others if you look at it carefully.



[edit on 18-2-2008 by marg6043]

Originally posted by marg6043
Still makes no sense what so ever to used legislation for this type of issues.

But it doesn't apply because the holocaust was after the constitutions was written.

Also this bill will extend to Jews outside the US and living in other nations

Now I don't care about any of the insurance companies that will be targeted if the they owed money they should pay, but what I find very disturbing is why legislations is needed and to the extend is been intended for this.

Where is the retribution to slavery victims forced to come to the new world for work against their will?

Or where is the compensation for all the native Americans that were killed when this nation was raped and conquered.

People are always been complaining about this two issues in this nation, so I see no problem with people been against this piece of legislation.

See my point, the whole entire issue makes not sense for congress to get involved, it looks like favoritism for one groups of people over others if you look at it carefully.

We are not talking about reparations or compensations. How can you really reimburse a race of people for crimes that happened hundreds of years ago, even though the US government has tried in vain with the Native Americans.

We are talking about insurance companies who still operate that just flat out refused to pay within this generations lifetime. These events did not happen four hundred years ago or I would be against it as well. The people who should have been paid are still alive.

Someone larger than the average person must get involved. If our government cannot throw its weight around and lend the American people a hand then what good are they? The government is an entity created to protect its citizens.

Of course, I really do not see this as only Jew issue, which sadly seems to be the problem of so many posters here on ATS. Millions of non-Jews were also affected by these crooked insurance companies and dishonest practices, which swindled billions of dollars.


[edit on 18-2-2008 by zerotime]

Originally posted by zerotime
or hey, we can also try to switch the subject to another thread where another slanted internet article is posted and all jump into posting hysteria and outrage.

Say what you want. If the US government is involved in ANY way, someone is paying for it. And that someone is the US taxpayer.

BTW, we've already paid these people (who came up with this bill) their salaries through taxpayer money. So, YES, we've already paid money for this. You can't sit there and say we haven't or won't. If the US government is involved, it will cost us. End of story.

I don't care if they are jews, black, white, purple, etc. If the US government is involved, we, the taxpayers, foot the bill.

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by zerotime
or hey, we can also try to switch the subject to another thread where another slanted internet article is posted and all jump into posting hysteria and outrage.

Say what you want. If the US government is involved in ANY way, someone is paying for it. And that someone is the US taxpayer.

BTW, we've already paid these people (who came up with this bill) their salaries through taxpayer money. So, YES, we've already paid money for this. You can't sit there and say we haven't or won't. If the US government is involved, it will cost us. End of story.

I don't care if they are jews, black, white, purple, etc. If the US government is involved, we, the taxpayers, foot the bill.

So what if it costs a little money? The government wastes billions upon billions of dollars every year. It isn't going to cost that much because as it has already been pointed out the insurance companies who lose have to pay the costs. That means no taxpayer money was used. This is a small price to pay imo to right a human injustice. Too bad more people do not want to fight for the rights of others.

So far most posts early in this thread carried misinformation and flat out lies. When those lies were disbanded the only thing left to fall back on was the good old, taxpayer money defense. I personally think many poster like to use 'taxpayer money' as an excuse to hide their real feelings on issues.

But hey, don't like the Bill then contact your congressman and ask them not to vote on it. It is that simple. Maybe they listen to you and maybe they don't. That's life. That's government. Use your votes wisely.


[edit on 19-2-2008 by zerotime]

I've already pointed out a couple of cases of frivolous litigation. How about an example of frivolous legislation?

Congressional hearings on steroid use by professional athletes.

The insuranceco litigation seems a higher use of our dollars, imo.

I have heard there are preparations being made by people that lived in the "occupied" territories that are claiming to be "Holocost Survivors"...that never even once were detained by Hitler's ungodly henchmen.They just happened to live life like we all do and survived.They "seen the elephant" so to speak. Kind of reminds me of certain trials and lawsuits going on in the southern states of the U.S. that had "Reconstruction Acts" forced upon them without the vote of citizens.