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reply posted on 19-2-2008 @ 06:44 PM by csulli456
reply to post by goosdawg



I couldn`t agree with you more and couldn`t have put it any better.
We can just turn our backs and let people get away with murder and more.
Its not just a saying.

Too many people rather to not get involved out of fear. These is the same tactics used by the so called "mafia".
The real gangsters are the very wealthy, very powerful, and thus elite persons with selfish motivations and evil intentions.


reply posted on 21-2-2008 @ 04:03 PM by danman23
I would like to just add a local incident here... just to prove that there is some sick # goin on in our world. There is a church leader here in Toledo, Ohio that has been arrested for DUI twice and have been accused of flashing people and masturbating to women in parking lots. His church here in Toledo makes at least $20,000,000 a year just from the 10% his people give the church, not to mention the books and dvds or the 25 other churches he has around the world. But the worst of them all is right here:

"Perhaps the most potentially controversial incident allegedly involving Michael Pitts never reached the courts.

On April 18, 1995, Mr. Pitts was stopped by a Delta police officer after two boys reported that a man fitting his description and driving the same type of car had been masturbating in front of them while they hit golf balls at the Delta High School ball diamond, according to police reports. The boys, aged 10 and 13, identified Mr. Pitts as the man they had seen in the ball diamond's dugout."

Granted.. he's not having sex with organs.. but that is very twisted to say the least. Basically this is just proof that there is some sick # goin on even in my semi-small city.

Here is a link to the whole article:
www.crabwalk.com...

Now on a more national note.. here is a clip of an interview with George Greene www.youtube.com... He says Ted Kennedy wanted to have sex with his daughter.

And then here's a very interesting link www.mindcontrolforums.com...

On a personal note.. my ex girlfriend was raised in Pittsburgh.. Her grandpa was a "devil worshiper" as she put it and her dad ended up being diagnosed with schizophrenia after her sister had admitted that he had been sexually abusing her. My ex told me that she was abused too when she was younger by her dad but never told anyone... Maybe.. just maybe her grandpa and the cult brainwashed her dad which cause him to be schizo which lead to him molesting his kids. I only bring this up because this Svali woman states that "The Illuminati have groups in every major city of the United States. They originally entered the U.S. through Pittsburgh, Pa" and that they brainwash people.

I guess I am posting this to give Vikturtle some more info to research. If you havent already seen any of this stuff.

Oddly enough I have heard from quite a few different people who prophesize what is going to happen in the world, including economically, politically and so on have said that info about what has been happening to all of our missing kids is going to be revealed this year. Maybe you are a part of the revealing.. keep up the good work. Get your word out there. These guys need to be brought down somehow.. maybe this is the best way.


reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 09:56 AM by diana
reply to post by Vikturtle



I personally thought that your article was horrifying but amazing. I'm so happy you had the courage to do that! You wrote beautifully, by the way, it was a very easy read to get through! Get a lawyer just in case and stay on track! As a mother of three children myself, that horrified me, however if you didnt write it... I would know nothing about it.. so I thank you!


reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 10:24 AM by iamcanadian2
I would also like to share my experience with people who ritually abuse children and add that these people stop at nothing to try to discredit and instill fear into people who try to expose this.
Fifteen years ago I did contract work for the Alberta Child Welfare department in Edmonton Alberta. I took on case of respite care for a two week period. My job was to care for a 6 year old girl who through ritual abuse had 5 personalities. Before I took on this case my boss called me into his office and tried to talk me out of it...I could not understand why and he would not elaborate. As soon as I took on the case I thought I was being followed, but put it down to my imagination. A few months go by and I suddenly have all sorts of strange things happening to me..like break ins, obscene phone calls, people following me, many near traffic accidents, my son complains of sexual harassment in his day care and then suddenly I have child welfare knocking on my door with claims of neglect to my own children. I knew I was being stalked but I had no clue why as I did not connect it at the time to the case of respite care...in fact I blamed my ex for hiring people to stalk me. Because all this was happening to me I decided to quit all my jobs and leave town...Just as I had made the decision to leave town I get a call from Alberta Child Welfare again and they want me to do another 2 week term of respite.
I turned them down, because I was experiencing too much fear living in that city and I wanted to return to my home province of BC where I had family support.
I moved to Nanaimo BC and things were not much better. The people who are behind this have never stopped interfering with my life.. I subsequently found out that I was black listed and will never work in the helping field again...It took me years to figure out that I have been stalked and harassed for 15 years...Now I am a very vocal person in my community and am an activist for the exposure of Organized stalking.
People who help persons that are ritually abused or expose the truth of ritual abuse are highly likely to be on the receiving end of what I am currently experiencing.


reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 02:25 PM by csulli456
Originally posted by diana
reply to
post by Vikturtle


As a mother of three children myself, that horrified me, however if you didnt write it... I would know nothing about it.. so I thank you!




Thats why we have to keep this thread going. Everyone should know about this article. Keep up the good work Vik.


reply posted on 23-2-2008 @ 07:47 AM by iamcanadian2
reply to post by Vikturtle



The world needs more people like you and I pray that you have the protection you need to beat these guys and expose this crime. Should you find that suddenly you have interference or you find that you are stalked and harassed by the perps who try to cover this crime up please U2 me...I have learned over the years how to deal with these freaks and beat them at their attempts to discredit and instill fear. Fear is their greatest weapon and they will stop at nothing to ensure that their atrocities are not revealed. I have experienced what they can do.
You might want to do some research into the Monarch programming. I have a link to an online book that I will send to you if you would like. The young girl that I cared for that was ritually abused was a product of the Monarch programming. However, according to the government the Monarch program does not exist, but there are too many people out there who are survivors of the Monarch program for it to be denied. I can also help you to get in contact with survivors of ritual abuse if you want to do any case studies.
Keep up the good work and help if you want it is just a U2 away.
May your higher power always walk with you.
debbie


reply posted on 1-3-2008 @ 11:35 AM by SecretGoldfish
good read overall, especially the nebraska stuff which to this day still disturbs me . . . but i think you've put a bit too much emphasis on the mcmartin case. although i'm sure ritualistic child abuse takes place, i don't think mcmartin is a strong supporting case.

problem is you have to call 'conspiracy' on so many levels with mcmartin to support what is claimed. at some level, the school, the DA, the police, the media, and even the neighbors, even the 'Stickel team consulting geologist', at bare minimum, all need to be involved in the conspiracy for it to work. i just don't think it floats.

ask yourself . . .

why a series of tunnels leading to secret rooms? wouldn't it have been easier simply to construct a false-wall and thus creating a 'secret room' in the existing building rather than by tunneling?

why a series of tunnels leading to another building? if kids were being transported off-site for ritualistic abuse, why bother tunneling to the next lot, up into a garage, and then being whisked away in a car? why not just build an attaching garage?

and the biggest problem, really to me, how were those tunnels made and how the heck were they filled back in after the case broke?

logically, it just doesn't make sense. and the way the kids were handled after the case broke really raises some questions as to what they actually experienced.

sadly, i don't think we'll ever know for sure what happened at mcmartin.

but i'm pretty confident the tunnels didn't exist. i was in cali at the time of mcmartin, and your link to the archaeological study was the first i'd heard of it. but after doing some research, it seems like the study was flawed and reached unsupported conclusions.

the following site does a good job of pointing out the flaws and inconsistencies. i've not seen any comparable 'in depth' analysis of the Stickel report, but if what IPT states is true, the Stickle research left a lot to be desired.

i'd suggest people spend an hour or so looking over the following (the links at the bottom direct you to additional areas of research regarding the Stickel findings):

www.ipt-forensics.com...

the findings pretty much rip apart the methods and analysis used by Stickel (and thus, his conclusion that there were tunnels on site).

even the consulting geologist the team brought on board thought the evidence of tunnels was non-existent:

Dr. E. D. Michael, a consulting geologist, was retained by MTP coordinator Ted Gunderson to help the project personnel validate the presumed existence of the parentally anticipated tunnels and secret rooms. He visited the site on several occasions as the alleged tunnels and rooms were being unearthed. Michael examined the trenches dug by the MTP throughout the preschool site and vacant lot and concluded that, "Generally, the results of my examinations were negative insofar as proving the existence of a tunnel."

see www.ipt-forensics.com...

anyway, i'm not trying to toss a wet blanket on what is otherwise a decent piece of work. but extreme claims require extreme proof, which is almost entirely absent in the mcmartin case. something happened at the mcmartin preschool, i'm pretty certain of that, but unfortunatly, for a number of unfortunate reasons, we'll probably never know.


reply posted on 11-3-2008 @ 08:45 AM by Vikturtle
Here's another thread and another article on child abuse in our culture.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I was surprised by the amount of folks who could not concieve that adults would join together to harm children, so I steered away from "ritual abuse" and began following the threads of child abuse (it's all part of the same picture).


reply posted on 11-3-2008 @ 08:44 PM by Enthralled Fan
reply to post by Vikturtle



I'd be interested in knowing if you heard further, from the person who told ou to contact a laywer.

What is the status on that, please?


reply posted on 11-3-2008 @ 10:49 PM by Vikturtle
reply to post by Enthralled Fan



Not another word, thank goodness, I think it was an intimidation tactic. But I have to admit, it made me a little nervous, also made me double check myself.

This is what he is doing, perhaps he didn't like the negative attention
www.queerty.com...
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