Originally posted by Bunch

To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

Ah so Hitler too was a vile blood-cultist.

Originally posted by Lilitu


Ah so Hitler too was a vile blood-cultist.

odd then that Nazi Germany was a secular run state eh, nice crowbar though

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Christian extremism tends to manifest itself in acts of excessive self flaggelation, extreme rhetoric and strict adherence to religious dogma and practices.

Maleness tends to manifest itself in the reading/viewing of denigrating pornographic materials, which feature women/men who have been convinced since the time of puberty that they are not worth anything other than for sexual plaything. This particular social ill is viewed as a healthy exercise, completely ignoring the fact that the women/men exploited by it have been exploited their entire lives and know nothing different. The men so engaged pretend they are for women's rights but toss the concept out the window faster than you can spit, when their virility overcomes their sense of moral obligation.

Some maleness results in the flagellation, rape and murder of women who they don't even know, and for no other reason than sexual gratification or obsession with power. In fact, this is so prevalent and has been so prevalent down through the history of humanity, that it accounts for more deaths and mangled bodies than all the world wars put together PERIOD.

So, whatdya say we just toss out all penises from henceforth ? (i'm not a woman's libber, btw, i'm just telling it like it is. if you were THAT concerned with the safety of the world, you would eradicate all men from the planet. but since this isn't your real agenda, we have to sit through a continuous rehashing of how it's the fault of a religious belief.

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhht. yeah, tell me about it.

[edit on 12-2-2008 by undo]

Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by undo

Quite simply it isn't and one religion stands head and shoulders (on a giant) above the rest combined

I don't think so. The singlemost violent belief system on the planet is the one of unbelief. Had any of the people claiming to be adherents of any one of several moral platforms, actually paid attention to the premise of those platforms, none of this would've happened. In short, it isn't any particular religion or belief system that causes the anguish but the human condition.

must be just a fantastic series of continued, sustained and odds defying coincidences then for that particular religion then

Absolutely! One should at least expect 50/50 results but all we see is one dismal failure after another.

Absolutely! One should at least expect 50/50 results but all we see is one dismal failure after another.

You realize, don't you, that he's referring to islam? How many muslims do you personally know, that you could make this judgement call?

I'm sorry but your brainwashing is showing again

Have you seen and heard how bitchy and catty women are?

Yes, I have.
The point is, that if violence is what bothers you, and that it comes from a specific sector of the populace, and you try to pin it on one particular mindset, you'd have to start with at the very least, the testosterone molecule.

Originally posted by undo

What did jesus teach?
Are those extremists practicing what jesus teached?
If the answer is no, then YOU are the only one given them credence as a christian organization and frankly, it's highly suspicious.

And that is the crux of the matter.
You are convinced that your interpretation of Jesus's teachings is incorrect and that all other interpretations are false and as such are non-believers.
In thus lies the seeds of religious intolerance and hatred as your neighbour believes his interpretation is correct and that you are the non-beleiver.

Originally posted by Freeborn

And that is the crux of the matter.

It is only the crux of the matter if you already have made up your mind that no other belief system but your own should be on the planet. What about extreme agnostics or extreme atheists? What do we do about them? Hmm? I have never said extremists need to be dealt with because frankly, it's not my place to exact that kind of judgement. I leave that up to God. (hint: I believe God is better judge of people than we are, so that means the solution will be ultimately more humane and just and outta my hands entirely. That you seem to feel you have that right, to me, is scary).

Originally posted by undo

Do the platforms and words match christian teachings? If not, then it isn't a christian organization. It's just calling itself that. do you want a list of non-religious organizations that have done horrid deeds as evidence that atheists can also be a huge problem? Of course not, because you KNOW that a belief system does not automatically equal a n action and especially if that action is not part of that belief system!

What did jesus teach?
Are those extremists practicing what jesus teached?
If the answer is no, then YOU are the only one given them credence as a christian organization and frankly, it's highly suspicious.

Your words - denial - which is why I posted that it was the organisations words, not mine.

And frankly, I find your arguments more than a little "weird" - but I chose not to bring it up. Instead I try to maintain a level of civility - something I'd appreciate being reciprocated.

I'd also like to say that a point is mine to choose - if you are in disagreement, fine. But to disparage someone for making a perfectly valid point is a tad puerile.

[edit on 12/2/2008 by budski]