Christian Right's Emerging Deadly Worldview: Kill Muslims to Purify the Earth

Originally posted by Bunch

To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

Ah so Hitler too was a vile blood-cultist.

Originally posted by Lilitu


Ah so Hitler too was a vile blood-cultist.

odd then that Nazi Germany was a secular run state eh, nice crowbar though

[edit on 12-2-2008 by blueorder]

Christian extremism tends to manifest itself in acts of excessive self flaggelation, extreme rhetoric and strict adherence to religious dogma and practices.

Maleness tends to manifest itself in the reading/viewing of denigrating pornographic materials, which feature women/men who have been convinced since the time of puberty that they are not worth anything other than for sexual plaything. This particular social ill is viewed as a healthy exercise, completely ignoring the fact that the women/men exploited by it have been exploited their entire lives and know nothing different. The men so engaged pretend they are for women's rights but toss the concept out the window faster than you can spit, when their virility overcomes their sense of moral obligation.

Some maleness results in the flagellation, rape and murder of women who they don't even know, and for no other reason than sexual gratification or obsession with power. In fact, this is so prevalent and has been so prevalent down through the history of humanity, that it accounts for more deaths and mangled bodies than all the world wars put together PERIOD.

So, whatdya say we just toss out all penises from henceforth ? (i'm not a woman's libber, btw, i'm just telling it like it is. if you were THAT concerned with the safety of the world, you would eradicate all men from the planet. but since this isn't your real agenda, we have to sit through a continuous rehashing of how it's the fault of a religious belief.

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhht. yeah, tell me about it.

[edit on 12-2-2008 by undo]

Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by undo

Quite simply it isn't and one religion stands head and shoulders (on a giant) above the rest combined

I don't think so. The singlemost violent belief system on the planet is the one of unbelief. Had any of the people claiming to be adherents of any one of several moral platforms, actually paid attention to the premise of those platforms, none of this would've happened. In short, it isn't any particular religion or belief system that causes the anguish but the human condition.

must be just a fantastic series of continued, sustained and odds defying coincidences then for that particular religion then

Absolutely! One should at least expect 50/50 results but all we see is one dismal failure after another.

Absolutely! One should at least expect 50/50 results but all we see is one dismal failure after another.

You realize, don't you, that he's referring to islam? How many muslims do you personally know, that you could make this judgement call?

I'm sorry but your brainwashing is showing again

I see quite a bit of denial that christian extremist groups even exist - something I'd like to correct.

Here's some quotes
to start off with.

Here are some christian extremist groups

Here's some more and some reports of their goals and activities.

Anybody who says it doesn't exist or that it isn't a problem is kidding themselves.

These people have more in common with muslim extremists than they do with other christians.

Edit to add this link - scroll down for a list of links to extremist christian sites.

[edit on 12/2/2008 by budski]

reply to post by blueorder


Im not the kind of poster that try to play with words or infer something by saying another. Extremist in all religions means just that.

Yes there is no denying that most of the terrorism that goes around the world is perpetrated by radical muslims, that doesnt mean all muslim are terrorist.

But let me ask you a question, do you believe that Christian principles or Jewish teachings has had any influence on the U.S. and Israel as governments? Especially when it comes to foreign policy, treatment of the Palestinian issue and such.

One could argue that those actions can be seen also as expressions of religious fanatism.

reply to post by undo


The fault of an INTERPRETATION of a religious belief and the subsequent manipulation of mankinds built in insecurity and using those insecurities to use and exploit mankind into believing the unprovable belief that "your reward is after you die".

I was talking about EXTREMISM, not all interpretations and manifestations of religious beliefs.

Yet you quickly revealed your extremism in a totally unrelated attack on MEN.
Everything is men's faults and if the world was purely inhabited by women the world would be a perfect place.
Have you seen and heard how bitchy and catty women are?
Grow up.

I mentioned self flagellation, not pornography?
Self flagellation in the manner that religious fanatics tend to beat themselves up constantly, not so much physically nowadays but more mentally, and put themselves through hell for not being worthy according to the particular exteme religious interpretation they believe in.

I really don't want to think about why you associated my comment about self flagellation with pornography but I suggest you examine your own personal desires as it in no way reflects my own personal tastes, not that it's any concern of yours.

I suggest you start a thread on how corrupt and evil us men are and I'll contribute to it, but that really has no relevance to this thread or any comments posted on it.

reply to post by budski


Dont forget the ChristianZionist, the ones that are much to blame for some if the things that happen or better said not happen in regards to the Palestinian issue.

Originally posted by budski
I see quite a bit of denial that christian extremist groups even exist - something I'd like to correct.

Here's some quotes
to start off with.

Here are some christian extremist groups

Here's some more and some reports of their goals and activities.

Anybody who says it doesn't exist or that it isn't a problem is kidding themselves.

These people have more in common with muslim extremists than they do with other christians.

Do the platforms and words match christian teachings? If not, then it isn't a christian organization. It's just calling itself that. do you want a list of non-religious organizations that have done horrid deeds as evidence that atheists can also be a huge problem? Of course not, because you KNOW that a belief system does not automatically equal a n action and especially if that action is not part of that belief system!

What did jesus teach?
Are those extremists practicing what jesus teached?
If the answer is no, then YOU are the only one given them credence as a christian organization and frankly, it's highly suspicious.

Have you seen and heard how bitchy and catty women are?

Yes, I have.
The point is, that if violence is what bothers you, and that it comes from a specific sector of the populace, and you try to pin it on one particular mindset, you'd have to start with at the very least, the testosterone molecule.

reply to post by undo


The same can be said about islam. Then we can say that there is absolutely no extremist in any religion and we can stuck are head in the sand like the other poster said and resolve absolutely nothing.

reply to post by undo


Their own words are that they are christian organisations - not my words, theirs.

They are no more christian (in reality) than al'qaeda are muslims - but this does not affect how they portray themselves.

Nor does it excuse peoples refusal to believe that they are here, they are active and they have agenda's.

In the OP, the group called themselves christian - and yet they advocate religious genocide in the name of their god - this puts them in the same category as any muslim extremist group.

Originally posted by undo

What did jesus teach?
Are those extremists practicing what jesus teached?
If the answer is no, then YOU are the only one given them credence as a christian organization and frankly, it's highly suspicious.

And that is the crux of the matter.
You are convinced that your interpretation of Jesus's teachings is incorrect and that all other interpretations are false and as such are non-believers.
In thus lies the seeds of religious intolerance and hatred as your neighbour believes his interpretation is correct and that you are the non-beleiver.

Originally posted by Bunch
reply to post by undo

 

The same can be said about islam. Then we can say that there is absolutely no extremist in any religion and we can stuck are head in the sand like the other poster said and resolve absolutely nothing.

It's true. If all men should not be judged for the actions of a few, it works the same for some extremists who aren't practicing islam but calling themselves islamic. Same for anybody,anwhere. There's no other way around it. You can't logically stipulate that everyone is allowed to be stereotyped and judged but you are personally exempt from it, without being not only illogical, but completely wrong.

Originally posted by Freeborn

And that is the crux of the matter.

It is only the crux of the matter if you already have made up your mind that no other belief system but your own should be on the planet. What about extreme agnostics or extreme atheists? What do we do about them? Hmm? I have never said extremists need to be dealt with because frankly, it's not my place to exact that kind of judgement. I leave that up to God. (hint: I believe God is better judge of people than we are, so that means the solution will be ultimately more humane and just and outta my hands entirely. That you seem to feel you have that right, to me, is scary).

Originally posted by budski
reply to post by undo

 

Their own words are that they are christian organisations - not my words, theirs.

They are no more christian (in reality) than al'qaeda are muslims - but this does not affect how they portray themselves.

Nor does it excuse peoples refusal to believe that they are here, they are active and they have agenda's.

In the OP, the group called themselves christian - and yet they advocate religious genocide in the name of their god - this puts them in the same category as any muslim extremist group.

WHO is denying they exist? Not me buddy!
I know there are extreme people everywhere. That's not the point at all and why you keep pointing back to it, is weird.

reply to post by undo


But you are excluding a group of people from your Christian fraternity because they follow an interpretation of Jesus's teachings that you do not believe in.
It is their interpretation of Christ's teachings therefore they are Christian regardless of how extreme and / or odious their beliefs are.

Originally posted by undo

Do the platforms and words match christian teachings? If not, then it isn't a christian organization. It's just calling itself that. do you want a list of non-religious organizations that have done horrid deeds as evidence that atheists can also be a huge problem? Of course not, because you KNOW that a belief system does not automatically equal a n action and especially if that action is not part of that belief system!

What did jesus teach?
Are those extremists practicing what jesus teached?
If the answer is no, then YOU are the only one given them credence as a christian organization and frankly, it's highly suspicious.

Your words - denial - which is why I posted that it was the organisations words, not mine.

And frankly, I find your arguments more than a little "weird" - but I chose not to bring it up. Instead I try to maintain a level of civility - something I'd appreciate being reciprocated.

I'd also like to say that a point is mine to choose - if you are in disagreement, fine. But to disparage someone for making a perfectly valid point is a tad puerile.

[edit on 12/2/2008 by budski]

Originally posted by budski
I see quite a bit of denial that christian extremist groups even exist - something I'd like to correct.

i don't think anyone was implying Christian extremism does not exist.

but, the title of your thread is "Christian Right's Emerging Deadly Worldview: Kill Muslims to Purify the Earth." what im trying to say is, those groups that advocate violence in the name of Christianity are very small in number. there are a lot of groups who practice a snobbish "mine is better than yours, and you are wrong" point of view. while one may lead to the other, the latter is relatively benign with respect to the title of your thread.

Here's some quotes
to start off with.

Here are some christian extremist groups

Here's some more and some reports of their goals and activities.

the links you provided were examples of religious intolerance. which without a doubt does exist. but there is a very clear difference between intolerance and the avocation of your death. I can handle intolerance. you are free to believe what you will. but if you advocate death, it is a whole other story. there are some groups, Christian extremist, who do just that. and they should be investigated. as should any group advocating the death of another. but those groups in my opinion are not prevalent and growing.

These people have more in common with muslim extremists than they do with other christians.

the groups and quotes who you listed do indeed have very much in common with Islamic extremism, in the snobbery of their beliefs. for the most part. there were a few quotes and groups who advocated violence. but they were mostly all white supremacy groups. which are not considered to be christian religions.

I think you are mixing the ideas of extremism and fundamentalism. they are both snobbish, but one does not advocate violence. only the supremacy of there ideas.