Christian Right's Emerging Deadly Worldview: Kill Muslims to Purify the Earth, page 6
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reply posted on 12-2-2008 @ 12:58 PM by budski
reply to post by undo



LMAO
another example of people interpreting gods word to suit their own agenda.

I'll answer in the same way I always do:

Do you feel the need to qualify what god (or jesus) has said?

Is god not good enough at his job, that he needs man to interpret for him?

Isn't it just a little arrogant of man to assume that they know what god means better than HE does?

By all means, continue to "clarify" the bible for us - just as muslim extremists do, and as christian extremists do.


reply posted on 12-2-2008 @ 01:01 PM by budski
reply to post by JSR



And yet christian "fundamentalists" often advocate the use of violence - abortion is one example that springs to mind, as well as homosexuality.

I have to disagree here - when fundamentalism is opposed, violence often ensues as a result.

I still call them two sides of the same coin, even though I see your point.


reply posted on 12-2-2008 @ 01:04 PM by budski
reply to post by undo



And yet christians also follow the old testament - which is about as violent a book as there is.

saying you KNOW what jesus means, also strikes me as more than a tad arrogant - I think jesus was pretty clear, and needs no-one to interpret the re-written, hand-picked, roman translation of what he meant.

He also used violence to achieve his own ends.

money changers in the temple ring any bells?


reply posted on 12-2-2008 @ 01:06 PM by JSR
reply to post by budski



fine by me. i do happen to disagree though.

and extremist kills for the glory of god. a fundamintalist follows with the strickest of possibility the words of christ. which doesn't advocat violence, that i know of.


reply posted on 12-2-2008 @ 01:10 PM by Dark Skies
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money changers in the temple ring any bells?


Jesus turned over their tables and chased them from the temple. Not exactly a beheading, eh?


reply posted on 12-2-2008 @ 01:11 PM by budski
reply to post by Xtrozero



Fair points, but would you not consider the inquisition to be one of the most violent periods in the history of religion?

And the crusades?

These were done in the name of god, despite any questions about the motivation they may or may not have had.


reply posted on 12-2-2008 @ 01:16 PM by budski
reply to post by Dark Skies


And where in the koran does it say about beheading?

That seems to be the comparison you are trying to make, and it's just not true.


reply posted on 12-2-2008 @ 01:17 PM by undo
Originally posted by budski
reply to
post by undo



And yet christians also follow the old testament - which is about as violent a book as there is.



Do or did rabbis interpret torah or talmud, for daily application? You betcha they did. they not only interpreted it, they argued it night and day, every little bit of it, down to the most minute idea.

But Jesus told them that Moses knew the hardness of their hearts and made up rules that would allow the society to function as best as possible under the climate of the time. Alot of those ancient texts were set in a different time frame, when it was part and parcel of the cultures of surrounding nations to engage in things like necrophilia, pederasty (look it up), human sacrifices, cannabalism, and so on.

I have my own interpretation of it, but it's just guesswork, so the "violence" of the OT is not answerable to your satisfaction since I'm not allowed to give you my viewpoint.

So much for religious freedom.


reply posted on 12-2-2008 @ 01:21 PM by budski
reply to post by undo





Whoever said you couldn't give your viewpoint?

No-one here.

Or is it that you view an opposing view as oppressive?

Please clarify - I have seen not one single post where a member said you couldn't express your view.

Playing for sympathy is not an attractive tactic.


reply posted on 12-2-2008 @ 01:21 PM by Dark Skies
Originally posted by budski
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post by Dark Skies


And where in the koran does it say about beheading?

That seems to be the comparison you are trying to make, and it's just not true.



Here's an interesting discussion of this matter of "Beheading in the Name of Islam" in the Middle East Quarterly...

www.meforum.org...


reply posted on 12-2-2008 @ 01:23 PM by undo
Originally posted by budski
reply to
post by undo





Whoever said you couldn't give your viewpoint?


You did. You said, you wouldn't accept my interpretation,which is my viewpoint. So I'm not going to give it you because it's mine and you don't want it.



reply posted on 12-2-2008 @ 01:30 PM by budski
reply to post by Beachcoma



I have read it, but some on ATS seem to feel the need to defend their religion at all costs, regardless of the intent of the message not to say the content.

I found the article to be quite interesting and a little bit of a condemnation of the moral high ground certain people seem to like to inhabit, to the detriment of others and their beliefs.

That said, some people have made very valid points.
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