Originally posted by Bunch
Thats the best way to put it. There is extremist on all religions. Period.

Looks like we agree here.

I'd even take it a step further and state that extremism occurs in everything. Even the sciences.

Every group has risen up to hurt others, enmasse, for no other reason than disagreement on what happens when it's all over with (probably the singlemost stupid thing to kill people for). We let the big wigs convince us that it's the other guy's fault, and the thing grows out of control. As far as i can tell, the fear of the "christian right" and "muslims" has been artificially manufactured and kept stimulated via the press and its various extensions and via other religious belief systems (such as paganism, satanism, communism, and various cults all vying for a piece of the pie).
If you keep banging that drum, one day you're going to find you have become your very own version of Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin or Pol Pot.

If YOU want to stop it, just quit giving it credence, cause that's basically what fuels these problems in the first place: blaming someone else and then banging that war drum till people die, lots of people.

your quote by hitler is certainly a good example of christian extremisim. however, he was a man who had total control of a government and an army. and he was a lunitic. i believe everyone can agree there. it is also a good case for seperation of powers.

but im not sure what your saying here.

And if that is not enough, many atrocities commited here against blacks during the civil right era was perpetrated by white "christians". Go to church in the morning and hunt for african americans at night.

if your aluding to the KKK, i dont think you can find anyone who follows thier retarted points of view anymore. and if you do, they are shamed and ridiculed in public. some pockets of support do exist, but hardly an example of growing christian extremisim.

All religion has their extremist, is just that here of course you wont see the MSM telling us about whats going on here.

im curious about this statement. what do you see going on with respect to christian extremisim and the OP?

hitler was NOT a christian.
he used christian ideals to get them on the bandwagon and then reverted the entire thing to worship of their german pagan heritage. he was really into all that valkyrie stuff, thor, odin and so forth. it wasn't just an interest for him, it was his prevailing faith which he coupled with evolutionary theory, and used as a springboard to rid the population of undesirables.

which is exactly what some of you are suggesting now: Let's rid the earth of christians and muslims, the undesirables, because it's their fault. when fact of the matter is, most christians and muslims haven't the foggiest notion what you're even talking about, much less taking part in some destroy the earth fantasy.

Originally posted by undo
hitler was NOT a christian.
he used christian ideals to get them on the bandwagon and then reverted the entire thing to worship of their german pagan heritage. he was really into all that valkyrie stuff, thor, odin and so forth. it wasn't just an interest for him, it was his prevailing faith which he coupled with evolutionary theory, and used as a springboard to rid the population of undesirables.

i thought this may be correct, but, i didn't want to argue the point. thanks for the clairification.

Originally posted by Griff


I can agree that the muslim extremism seems to be more. I'd just like to know if you are getting your views from propaganda news sources? I'm sure in places where there is only Al Jezeera, those people probably only hear about the fanatical christians too.

no mate, I keep an open mind and access as many sources as possible, much of the media in the UK are just lackeys to the political class

Originally posted by Bunch
Thats the best way to put it. There is extremist on all religions. Period.

no it isn't and such head in the sand attitudes makes conflict MORE, not less likely

Originally posted by Bunch

Although I do also think that Hitler was not a Christian. The excerpt that I quoted from his speech I used it merely as a reference that anyone can step to a podium pound their chest saying something that other people will believe and inspired them to commit the most heinous atrocities. And it looks if we go back throughout human history that religion is the cause of many of them.

That same chest pounding goes on today on many churches, mosques and synagogues.

this is not true, there is no comparison to what is poured out of mosques compared with churches and synagogues, this deflection and swerving over misplaced fears about offence is just cowardly

Originally posted by blueorder
no it isn't and such head in the sand attitudes makes conflict MORE, not less likely

Comming to the conclusion that there is extremism in all religions causes more conflict?

How?

Originally posted by Griff


Comming to the conclusion that there is extremism in all religions causes more conflict?

How?

Let me clarify, apparently the extent of the debate for that poster is that because any religion can have extermists, that is the end of the discussion, or as he puts it "period".

This would be of the school of thought that thinks violence around the world in conflicts, terror attacks, oppression etc are being carried out equally (or even remotely equally) amongst christians, jews, muslims etc

Quite simply it isn't and one religion stands head and shoulders (on a giant) above the rest combined

It may not be the truth that they find palatable, but it does not make it any less the truth- the only hope Islam has of achieving some sort of enlightenment is when truth is discussed, not just glossed over for fear of offence

there is extremism in all religions causes more conflict?

correction: there is extremism in all belief systems. this includes: you are god, thor is god, zeus is god, the government is god, your apple tree is god, satan is god, and so on.

if i may quote, here's an excerpt from the Muppets take Manhattan: "Peoples is peoples."

Could we stop the blame game now?

Quite simply it isn't and one religion stands head and shoulders (on a giant) above the rest combined

I don't think so. The singlemost violent belief system on the planet is the one of unbelief. Had any of the people claiming to be adherents of any one of several moral platforms, actually paid attention to the premise of those platforms, none of this would've happened. In short, it isn't any particular religion or belief system that causes the anguish but the human condition.

Originally posted by undo

Quite simply it isn't and one religion stands head and shoulders (on a giant) above the rest combined

I don't think so. The singlemost violent belief system on the planet is the one of unbelief. Had any of the people claiming to be adherents of any one of several moral platforms, actually paid attention to the premise of those platforms, none of this would've happened. In short, it isn't any particular religion or belief system that causes the anguish but the human condition.

must be just a fantastic series of continued, sustained and odds defying coincidences then for that particular religion then

I think most of us are in agreement that extremism occurs in most, if not all, religions.
The difference is in how the extremism manifests itself.

Despite it's history, current Christian extremism tends to manifest itself in acts of excessive self flaggelation, extreme rhetoric and strict adherence to religious dogma and practices.

Muslim extremism seems to manifest itself also in extreme rhetoric and strict adherence to religious dogma and practices, but also in an all encompassing intolerance of other belief systems and a belief in the advancement of their extremist beliefs at all costs by any means.

Whilst Christian missionaries spread their faith through teaching and preaching , (allbeit with far too excessive zeal for my liking), Muslims extremists use Sharia Law and terrorism.

Originally posted by Freeborn
I think most of us are in agreement that extremism occurs in most, if not all, religions.
The difference is in how the extremism manifests itself.

Despite it's history, current Christian extremism tends to manifest itself in acts of excessive self flaggelation, extreme rhetoric and strict adherence to religious dogma and practices.

Muslim extremism seems to manifest itself also in extreme rhetoric and strict adherence to religious dogma and practices, but also in an all encompassing intolerance of other belief systems and a belief in the advancement of their extremist beliefs at all costs by any means.

Whilst Christian missionaries spread their faith through teaching and preaching , (allbeit with far too excessive zeal for my liking), Muslims extremists use Sharia Law and terrorism.

thank you, a sensible post