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posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by SolPower
no_one, are other countries involved in this conspiracy, or is a complete inside job


The perps might be, but thats about it to my knowledge.




posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 10:38 PM
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If it were attempted and it failed, Bush would be in some deep trouble. I think those actions would fit the definition of treason, and that has the death penalty. Even if he were tried on lesser charges, the outcome for him would not be good.

I think Bush would face major risk if he attempted such a thing. Maybe that's why he bought that spread in Paraguay - he's counting on making a run for it if his plans don't pan out and he's discovered.

His co-conspirators wouldn't be so lucky. There'd be lynch mobs having a hay day with those folk.



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 10:39 PM
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Why, in your opinion, do scientists still search for ET's (nasa/seti/etc.) if we've already had contact? Are most not aware? Why would the government fund these program if they already know the answer



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 10:43 PM
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Will this martial law be localized around the event or will this be a nation wide martial law???

Who will be enforcing the martial law?? the UN??? blackwater????

Later,...... Ausable_Bill



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 10:43 PM
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I don't think they could pull it off without involvement by more foreign nationals than just the perps. I don't think Al Qaeda would just take orders from the US, for example. The message would have to come from someone trusted as an intermediary.

And anyone talking to the foreign national about planning an attack on US soil IS guilty of treason. They'd try to do a cover up, but the President would change over fairly quickly and Bush would lose the power to continue the cover up. Bush would need to keep enough of his people in power to maintain the cover, and if Democrats get in, I don't see any way that could happen.



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 10:47 PM
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Bush has a very right wing supreme court. When it comes down to martial law, the bill has already been signed. The only power source that has a check over Bush at this point is the US supreme court. Thats all the power he needs.



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 10:50 PM
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You've forgotten an important check on his power - the American people. A big chunk of them wouldn't accept a Bush attempt to delay the elections, even after a major terrorist attack.

So is he going to kill Americans to maintain control? Who is he going to use to do it?



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by AWingAndASigh
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You've forgotten an important check on his power - the American people. A big chunk of them wouldn't accept a Bush attempt to delay the elections, even after a major terrorist attack.

So is he going to kill Americans to maintain control? Who is he going to use to do it?


I don't doubt the veracity of the American people. Hence I dont think the plan will unfold.



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 10:55 PM
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Forgive me if I am way off base here, but one question has been weighing on my mind since I began reading this thread and I just needed to ask.

Based off of your many responses here I gather that security is extremely tight at GL on all levels. You have mentioned numerous times about the commonality of polygraph examinations that are mandatory for all employees.

Considering that everyone in the ficility is under a watchful eye and all are scrutinized heavily as potential information leaks, it would be safe to assume that ALL employees are privy to debriefing as well as a subsequent lie detector test. Even the security officer hired to debrief the other general employees would be susceptible to at the very least a random polygraph, perhaps even a weekly test.

I would also assume that when said polygraph is performed, one of the obvious questions for that employee would be "Have you recently or ever released information to outside entities in regards to what you have seen here at the GL facility?"

Seems to me like you are setting yourself up to flunk your next polygraph rather miserably, what with posting sensitive info on a public chat forum and all. Remember, you may be able to hide your location, hide your identity through offering vague answers to questions and keep clear of online agents searching for potential info leaks...but you can't outrun a polygraph.

So my question would be this...how do you intend to pass your next polygraph examination? You won't...or I should say "would not"...if in fact you are who you say you are. To divulge secretive information in such a manner knowing full well that at any point you would be subject to the lie detector machine would be the height of stupidity....just doesn't add up.

Not making accusations, just pointing out the obvious. Please explain to me why you are not afraid of going to Federal prison right now. Thanks.



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by BlackOps719
Forgive me if I am way off base here, but one question has been weighing on my mind since I began reading this thread and I just needed to ask.

Based off of your many responses here I gather that security is extremely tight at GL on all levels. You have mentioned numerous times about the commonality of polygraph examinations that are mandatory for all employees.

Considering that everyone in the ficility is under a watchful eye and all are scrutinized heavily as potential information leaks, it would be safe to assume that ALL employees are privy to debriefing as well as a subsequent lie detector test. Even the security officer hired to debrief the other general employees would be susceptible to at the very least a random polygraph, perhaps even a weekly test.

I would also assume that when said polygraph is performed, one of the obvious questions for that employee would be "Have you recently or ever released information to outside entities in regards to what you have seen here at the GL facility?"

Seems to me like you are setting yourself up to flunk your next polygraph rather miserably, what with posting sensitive info on a public chat forum and all. Remember, you may be able to hide your location, hide your identity through offering vague answers to questions and keep clear of online agents searching for potential info leaks...but you can't outrun a polygraph.

So my question would be this...how do you intend to pass your next polygraph examination? You won't...or I should say "would not"...if in fact you are who you say you are. To divulge secretive information in such a manner knowing full well that at any point you would be subject to the lie detector machine would be the height of stupidity....just doesn't add up.

Not making accusations, just pointing out the obvious. Please explain to me why you are not afraid of going to Federal prison right now. Thanks.


Very simple. The polygraphs are random and I review results with others. Yes I have to take mine, but mines are seldom. Once a year on average. The thing with polygraphs is , if you know how to manipulate them, they will not work. Simply knowing the questions is enough information to beat the test. If I fail the test, I'm simply fired. If im caught however, thats when the serious ramifications happen.



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 11:36 PM
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thats why, and only IMO, I think this is either not legit, or disinformation.

I wasn't going to post that I feel this way, but I mean, you just dinged the nail on the head.

If it is false, then the guys at Area 51 or wherever are laughing themselves to sleep because he's helping them out, either way, its disinformation.

Now, I could be wrong, but thats just my opinion...

And with all the hype about area 51... I thought they had, or would have, moved the operation to somewhere else.
anyone have any info on this?



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 11:38 PM
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my dad told me something once about having a thumbtack in your shoe and applying pressure while being questioned so that your heart beat remains at a constant rate...

This was many years ago, so I'm sure there are ways to get around that now, but I always thought that was smart.



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by Odessy
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my dad told me something once about having a thumbtack in your shoe and applying pressure while being questioned so that your heart beat remains at a constant rate...

This was many years ago, so I'm sure there are ways to get around that now, but I always thought that was smart.


The thumbtack trick doesn't work. It used to on older machines. The newer machines can measure heat sensors on your face now as well. It's far more accurate. Accuracy jumps from about 60% to 85% with our newer machines. But it still cant fight either knowing the questions and maintaining your heartbeat or simply being pathological.



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 11:46 PM
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I believe this was covered on
MythBusters



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 11:51 PM
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yeah well, my dad's 50 now so i'm sure its outdated.
After the Israeli Military he was a private detective so he told me about it before most people knew about the trick.
But thanks for the heads up, ill be sure not to try it.



posted on Feb, 6 2008 @ 11:59 PM
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Sounds like you don't care much about your high paying super neato top secret job.

I find it difficult to believe that a polygraph test administered by a trained government specialist would be something that one could so easily deceive with parlor tricks and the like. I know first hand that polygraph tests, at least here in the public sector, are quite accurate and extremely difficult to fool. This is why they are administered to potential police force specialists during the hiring and promotion process.

But I will concede that maybe the polygraph machines there at GL are not the same, or maybe the people who perform these tests are not very thorough...except that contradicts everything that I have ever heard about these US Gov security types.

Let me ask you this....If the polygraph exams are so easy to foil, how come the government keeps on administering them? What would be the point? As you previously stated in this thread, the exams are given out with a high degree of regularity. What makes you the special guy out of 2500 + employees who knows how to trick the machine?

Again...I apologize if this may seem condenscending in any way, but I am still a bit wary of what you are saying here. Thanks for answering.



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 12:03 AM
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actually the plan No_one laid out is possible. hear me out, if 2 of the policos are killed in a terror attack, bush could suspend the election for 6 months to allow for replacements to take the place of the killed contenders. If Bush declared marshal law the congress has NO oversight, and legally he can kick every member of congress out of office! And there is nothing to say he EVER has to reinstate the constitution. Would that lead to civil war quite possibly but i doubt it, there are to many stupid people in this country that will just sit there and not lift a finger.

Now you guys want no_one to go to the police and tell them about a terrorist plot with No proof, no way to get proof, and if he went to congress do u honestly think the people involved will go "oh golly gee mr. congressman yes we are helping the president plan to kill many Americans on our own soil" you my friends are simply delusional, they wouldn't testify to congress about that plan. the local police will lock no_one up in a looney bin and through away the key.

Now i haven't made up my mind about if no_one is who he says he is. But if he is who he says he is and this plan happens like he says it will, he is the one that has to live with himself and look himself in the mirror. Some might call him a traitor and he might be by association, But there is nothing he can do and if you think there is other than coming here and trying to reach as many people as he can then you don't know how the actual government works!

And hatching the plan at area 51 makes sense just for the plausible deniability factor yeah everyone knows about area 51 but the government don't acknowledge its existence and its impossible to get proof out of somewhere as controlled as area 51.

No_one please keep posting in here and answering questions. whether everyone here wants to admit it or not if you are who you say you are they understand why you can't go into alot of details on your info to protect you from the government. and most people need to read every post in the thread before they type something so they know what has or hasn't been said asked and answered.



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 12:16 AM
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I personally don't think that working at area 51 leaves you open to predict terrorist plots.
Many people here think Bush will claim Marshal Law anyway...

The pros?

We'll see this year!

either way, like i said before, I dont think that type of information is readily available to area 51 employees. I think no_one knows just as much as we do on that side of things.



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 12:20 AM
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Originally posted by BlackOps719
Sounds like you don't care much about your high paying super neato top secret job.

I find it difficult to believe that a polygraph test administered by a trained government specialist would be something that one could so easily deceive with parlor tricks and the like. I know first hand that polygraph tests, at least here in the public sector, are quite accurate and extremely difficult to fool. This is why they are administered to potential police force specialists during the hiring and promotion process.

But I will concede that maybe the polygraph machines there at GL are not the same, or maybe the people who perform these tests are not very thorough...except that contradicts everything that I have ever heard about these US Gov security types.

Let me ask you this....If the polygraph exams are so easy to foil, how come the government keeps on administering them? What would be the point? As you previously stated in this thread, the exams are given out with a high degree of regularity. What makes you the special guy out of 2500 + employees who knows how to trick the machine?

Again...I apologize if this may seem condenscending in any way, but I am still a bit wary of what you are saying here. Thanks for answering.


I understand everything you are saying. I do not take it as condescending at all. I only receive a polygraph only about once a year. That doesnt make me special, it just means people in my field arent tested as much as others.



posted on Feb, 7 2008 @ 12:24 AM
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How long would such a faux-terrorist plan, the likes of which you are talking about, take from the initial planning to the final execution?

Was 9/11 an "inside job"? If so, was A51 involved in some way as they are in the current plan, according to your story?



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