Video emerges of woman 911 caller forcefully strip searched in police custody

reply to post by runetang


You have to understand Rune, the situation that we know of right now, simply is that they found her bleeding, she couldn't provide her own I.D. and when asked a simple question of whether she ever intended to hurt herself, she doesnt give an answer. Theyre trying to figure out of she did it or not, and by that rationalization of words " Now or ever" thats essentially saying "I may or may not have intended to hurt myself now, but I most positively have before."

They were trying to protect her, in a wierd, twisted way.

Originally posted by NewWorldOver

Originally posted by Cypher
You know what's amazing about this incident to me? It's how so many of you immediately feel qualified to pass judgment on the officers in question simply from viewing a few edited clips and the accompanying inflammatory commentary by a local news program. It wouldn't surprise me in the least on a lesser board, but here the members are supposed to at least pretend to believe in the site motto of "Deny Ignorance".

Dude, you are FULL OF IT

And judging by the number of stars your post got, I'm guessing there are alot of FAT CAT GOVERNMENT TOOLS in this forum who are afraid to show their face in this thread.

And for GOOD REASON. We do not welcome FASCISTO sympathizers on this forum.

You claim that 'we don't know' if the cops are guilty of anything?

The lady called the police because she was assaulted, she then accidentally handed over the drivers license of her sister and was brought in, held down, had her clothes torn off and sat naked for hours

And you claim that 'we don't know' the full story.

SICKENING. The only thing more sickening then the behavior of the Police State is listening to all the little toadies croak their submission "cmon fellas leave the Cops alone."

NO. YOU ARE NOT ONE OF US. WE ARE PATRIOTS.

*edit*

Oh ok so I'm going to get a warning for this post? So be it. ATS members are not offended by this post and seem to agree with me

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Mods i am sorry for posting the whole quote but i wanted it to be in context.
We have every right to judge the officers in question, and if you paid attention to the clip, ALL of the male officers broke the policy/law that only same sex strip searches may be conducted. Consider them judged.

You then go on to question the intelligence of this forum as a whole. I must say, to do so is your right, however to do so in the same paragraph where you made a glaring oversight is poor judgement at best, and would be considered ignorant by many. Basicaly, unless the editing of the video included adding male officers into the cell that werent really there, you are dead wrong.

the reason I posted the whole quote is the reply is emotional and mentions both a warning for said rebutal, and also the number of 'stars' received at your reply.

I wish to challenge the poster (cypher) or anyone who gave him/her a star to find the flaw in my logic here, which is: Of course we had the right to judge the police, they clearly violated written policy in that clip. It seems that only the school of thought that 'the police are right because they are police' would inspire kudos for a post that was inherently flawed.

Of course anything emotional about this situation can be debated. I would expect nothing less. However as far as facts are concerned there is no indication whatsever that the 'police' did not violate their own policy/law.

On the issue of recording this incident, I have only this to add:

Why did people take photographs and record video of the abuses taking place in Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, against the Iraqi detainees? They knew it was wrong, somewhere deep inside I don't care who you are, your rank, and what your orders are, you know what is and isn't right/wrong, or legal/illegal according to the laws which you are bound to. Case in point, the soldiers involved all got jail sentences for it.

But why did they record and make pics? No evidence is best right?

Obviously this kind of thing gets documented, then the video is kept under the tightest wraps for those to watch it who need to evaluate it, to determine .. whatever diabolical plots they have in mind and if that procedure on film is the correct one, for example.

Things are documented so you can go back and scrutinize it for any reason.

reply to post by Annie Mossity

One question that does come to mind:
Why did it take a full year for this to be filed in District court?

Perhaps the victim was to humiliated by the experience. Perhaps the department formed an investigation that dragged out the options the victim had at her desposal. If some one who knows for sure please correct me but I think the process must start with an internal investigation before the case can be brought before a court.

We are getting only a small glimpse of what happened. There will be more. The only thing I saw out of bounds to date is that males were involved in the strip. That completely wrong. On the womens side of our jail if a man comes into an area that a female is being stripped(by female staff), they shout "naked body". That means turn around and get out.

Wolf/Annie by you words it seems to me that in reality you both support the actions of the Police in your lets wait and see, Wait and see what that a woman phones for help beacuse she has been asaulted and when by mistake she gives the Police officer her dead sisters licence that gives them carte blanch to do what they did to her. They simply could not ask her for an explanation as to the licence, and again were not talking about some gun toting crack head here are we so again this person was no threat to them.

This is Police brutality pure and simple and it happening on a regular basis and as for filming it yes they do get there kicks out of it. Perhaps you may think it normal and ok to be stripped and abused by the Police well the rest of us do not. To use the lets wait and see till we get a result is simply breath taking and again I can only assume that you support such actions against defenceless law abiding citizens as you have both failed to condem the Police for there actions.

Originally posted by Cynic
Well thats a slap in the face and i'm outraged by your comment.... who are you to assume anything about me? snip



I am A Canadian, born and raised thanks.

Is this where i'm suposed to say "I stand corrected?" NOT! What do you think they teach you in the Canadian classrooms? ummmm? American Education! So i fail to see what your point is.

By the way I'm 38 not 8 thx anyways.

Intrepid, its not about just what you saw, why was this woman being strip searched in the fisrt place, a quick check on the persons identity would have told the Police of any criminal record and lets face it she should not have even been in a Police cell in the first place should she.

Again this is just abuse of power and peoples liberties and freedoms, so many lies now come from the Police that they have lost all credibility and respect and as I said before I would pay good money to see these people flogged for what they have done. Even if it was a murderer they were dealing with I would expect them to behave appropriately.

Can you even grasp the damage that has been done or does wearing a badge make it all seem alright. If a Police officer cannot tell the difference between a victim or a perp then they need to look for a new job and so do the people who issue their orders.

Originally posted by intrepid
We are getting only a small glimpse of what happened. There will be more. The only thing I saw out of bounds to date is that males were involved in the strip. That completely wrong. On the womens side of our jail if a man comes into an area that a female is being stripped(by female staff), they shout "naked body". That means turn around and get out.

So you agree with video tapeing the situation? your not worried this tape will end up in the wrong hands?

Maybe some cop watches it every night and then seeks to rape her at a later date? Isn't this what Head Doctors warn about what happends to normal people who become pedifiles? Kinda like watching porn all the time, eventually you need it to be more pornographic till eventually you go out and actually rape someone to get off. I mean this what S&M porn is all about isnt it?

I dont agree that her bieng video taped while bieng striped. At all!

reply to post by SpaceBits


What? Sorry, thats just simply nonsense.

I'd have more then one line here, but theres no correlation between pornography and rape. In fact, Rape in the country has decreased since the rise of the pornography industry in the 80s.

Originally posted by WolfofWar
reply to post by SpaceBits

 

What? Sorry, thats just simply nonsense.

I'd have more then one line here, but theres no correlation between pornography and rape. In fact, Rape in the country has decreased since the rise of the pornography industry in the 80s.

I never said watching porn leads to rape, I was saying the head doctors warn of it, and that watching/spying on someone for a long period of time
could lead them to become a pedifile, and rape the person they are watching. The head doctors say that one can become infatuated by another.

You have never heard of this?

reply to post by SpaceBits


People with mental issues can get infatuated by somebody they see who walks they're dog every day on Tuesday, or an actress on tv, or a person that sort of kind of looks like a mannequin at Macys. Thats no reason to get rid of security tapes that are there to protect against police brutality while also providing protection against frivilous claims against police forces.

reply to post by SpaceBits


Uhm...okay. how that has any relevance or is pertinent to the situation at hand is well beyond me, but keep up with those personal assumptions despite the limited information we have available; at the current rate it would seem all 17 defendants will be dealt their sentences long before this case sees it's day in court. Odd, that.

If you wish to form conclusions and or pass judgement based solely on the contents of that video CLIP alone, then so be it. I can only hope there would be those who see the merit in waiting for more detailed information if the tables ever be turned and You were upon the proverbial pike.

 

Annie you dont like answering questions do you, again you have failed to condem the actions of the Police but seek to hide behind lets wait for the final outcome. One does not have to wait to see that laws were broken and you can comment on that but fail to do so, why.

By the way I'm 38 not 8 thx anyways.


OK Spacey, I don't withdraw my apology, but you sure have the attitude of a 8 year old.

Originally posted by WolfofWar
reply to post by SpaceBits

 

People with mental issues can get infatuated by somebody they see who walks they're dog every day on Tuesday, or an actress on tv, or a person that sort of kind of looks like a mannequin at Macys. Thats no reason to get rid of security tapes that are there to protect against police brutality while also providing protection against frivilous claims against police forces.

Sorry but I dont mean not to do it period, I think the camera man could have viewed other parts rather than showing showing her naked body. As far as i'm conserned when you are going to photograph a woman naked do you not need her consent? I'm sure they still could have taped the situation with out faving to focus on her naked parts.

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Annie you dont like answering questions do you, again you have failed to condem the actions of the Police but seek to hide behind lets wait for the final outcome.

Failed to condem the officers or failed to rally 'round the apparent lynchmob bandwagon mentality taking place here?

YES! What is shown would suggest gross abuse of position and or authority, but We don't know that for certain just yet.

One does not have to wait to see that laws were broken and you can comment on that but fail to do so, why.

Yes, I can and will comment on that. If I were to simply base my thoughts or conclusions on the contents of the video CLIP, then I would have to say the actions of the officers would certainly merit further investigation; if only to discern WHY there were male officers present in the first place... and Seemingly throughout.

I should have access to some of the court documents by tomorrow, Monday at the latest.
i.e.
Random Assignment of Magistrate Judge
Complaint
Attorney Appearance
Amended complaint
Amended complaint
Answer to Complaint
Initial Disclosures
etc.

While I do feel it could very well turn out to be just as the video seems to demonstrate, I still feel the need to look further and consider all possibilities prioring to forming conclusions or passing judgements.

Maybe that's just me, but I'd certainly hate to have the tables turned and be facing the "courts" I see before me in this thread... prior to even speaking. (?)

 

Originally posted by SpaceBits

Maybe some cop watches it every night and then seeks to rape her at a later date? Isn't this what Head Doctors warn about what happends to normal people who become pedifiles? Kinda like watching porn all the time, eventually you need it to be more pornographic till eventually you go out and actually rape someone to get off. I mean this what S&M porn is all about isnt it?

This is way off-topic and absolutely false information. This has nothing to do with science or human sexuality. The old, watch porn and you'll be a pedophile or rapist is baseless religious or moral propaganda. You might as well be saying masturbate and you will go blind. Those were old scare tactics. And there is no such thing as "head doctors." I don't even know what that is suppose to mean.

Originally posted by Annie Mossity
reply to post by SpaceBits

 

Uhm...okay. how that has any relevance or is pertinent to the situation at hand is well beyond me, but keep up with those personal assumptions despite the limited information we have available; at the current rate it would seem all 17 defendants will be dealt their sentences long before this case sees it's day in court. Odd, that.

If you wish to form conclusions and or pass judgement based solely on the contents of that video CLIP alone, then so be it. I can only hope there would be those who see the merit in waiting for more detailed information if the tables ever be turned and You were upon the proverbial pike.

Ummm I do recall asking you if you know of a situation that would warrent this type of behavior but you just skip arround that... oh well

I guess it's for you to know and for me to find out? Of course you could just enlighten us and tell us of any situation that you think warrents this woman to be striped of her cloths and dignety and humiliated.

Originally posted by Annie Mossity
YES! What is shown would suggest gross abuse of position and or authority, but We don't know that for certain just yet.

Actually we sort of do know it. They had MEN stripping a WOMAN. This is against every policy in the code for that county. As I have posted back on page 4 of this thread, I am from the area and I know people in that area as well as police officers from that area. When the police officers from that area saw this video even they were shocked. The stripping violated every policy they had and when one cop saw it his exact words were, well the **** is going to hit the fan now.

And as I also posted this is not the first time this community has had trouble with their police. An officer just murdered his wife and another officer tried to cover it up with him. Teen girls were stripped on a trip thru a juvy detention center. One teen was beat up badly by police but the police will not release the video. Police officers are getting in fights with eachother. They are breaking into homes and raping woman. All in Canton Ohio. There is a problem here without a doubt and it runs from the top of the food chain all the way to the bottom.


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