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Originally posted by jenkwater
It is quite obvious that the odds are stacked against us to make independent successes of ourselves and I don't think boot licking is a viable solution.
A lot of corporations have raise schedules so regardless of performance it is a set amount of time when one will receive an increase in pay. Most of the time these are "crap" jobs that some posters may scoff at but somebody has to do them whether we like it or not. These "crap" jobs should be gateways to furthering ones life and career but in a lot of cases people get stuck in a rut for one reason or another. If a company does really well usually those good times do not make it to the common place worker-
The corporate structure is designed for profits to trickle downwards. Common sense and intelligence usually exist on the lower rungs of the ladder and not in the board room. There is a huge disconnect between the board room and the common employee which causes them to see us as graphs and numbers as opposed to people.
The fact of the matter is that having a degree or diploma only helps people in certain industries which leaves the rest of us clawing for our dreams.
hey...i didn't mean to come off like that... i was in management for thrifty drugs during the 80's...if you still remember that name...and after 8 years finally became the store general manager. i had to fire people because of a variety of reasons, and it was never pleasent. and i have to admit that i have become bitter. and it is coming out now because of not recognizing or understanding that hard work and playing by the rules doesn't always move you forward. and don't get me wrong, i'm quite happy with where i'm at today. it's just that i grew up with a strong work ethic, and i, through my earlier years and naivete believed that would recognized.
Originally posted by Daz3d-n-Confus3d
reply to post by jimmyx
I apologize if I sounded condecending toward you. I understand your complaint and feel your pain.
To answer your question I am older than you. You seem awful defensive though. I meant no harm. I have been in your shoes more than once and if I was not satisfied with my situation I moved on to another company if they wouldn't get me to where I needed to be. If I have to I will move to another city or state. My point is that we can not rely on business to take care of us. They do not care. In their eyes why should they pay you more money because the economy is crap. They did not run up your debt.
Also I don't care how old someone is, they can always better themselves in their job.
Sorry if I stepped on your toes man. No hard feelings I hope.
actually i have...it was called northvend... it was a soda and snack business, i started it, ran it myself, and paid taxes, worked depreciation schedules into 3,5,7 year segments, to take advantage of the writedowns on my business equipment...an aside...do you know that you have to pay "SALES" tax on "CRV" which stands for california redemption value or simply put, the pennies you get back for recycling aluminum cans. i as a business owner had to pay a tax on the cans recycling value. after 3 years, PEPSICO FOODS, which is the "food"division of pepsi- cola... signed on 60% of my customers, and why you ask...wasn't i able to compete? Pepsi furnished free soda for the first 6 months if the businesses signed a long term agreement for pepsi's machines, and PEPSI products to be sold exclusively. this eventually put me out of business. is that enough "real life" for you? what is amazing to me, is that everyone that complains is automatically assumed to be whiny, lazy, uneducated, or has a bad attitude. yet these same people are the ones that have the most to lose. if they upset their employers, they are gone. and yet, businesses recieve tax breaks, that according to governments own IRS records allowed some corporations to pay no income taxes at all. i am glad you are still able to "pull" yourself up by your own bootstraps and are still able to get ahead and get on with your life, but when you finally relize that the deck has long ago been stacked against you, one tends to want some real change that will benefit the majority of people in this country. after all...if you want to lve and work in a truely "FREE MARKET"...africa and southeast asia is where you should be, in some of those countries...you never have to worry about a middle class or "complaining workers", of course you'll have to pay bribes and "tokens" of good will to live and work there... but hey... that's where the true "free market" reigns supreme.
Originally posted by tacticaljay
reply to post by jimmyx
WHY DON'T COMPANIES PAY US MORE????? ARE YOU SERIOUS??? Not every company is a fortune 500 company. Actually most companies are small business' and the owners only have so much money. I agree with a few other people in this thread. If you want to earn more money get a real degree or better yet, start your own company and see what it is like to run one. Then you will have actual real life experience and will probably be able to answer your own question. Just my thoughts......
Originally posted by TheColdDragon
And so, here's a question; What is someone who is a single parent on terrible terms with their ex supposed to do to enable themselves and break free of the slavery?
That is a question I am sure that I, and many other people, might wish to know.
Or are single parents (Of which there are many) supposed to be satisfied that they screwed their life up and there is no helping them, and no hope for better?
Originally posted by sir_chancealot
You know, this is going to sound harsh, but so be it. Too many young women want to date the "exciting, bad-boy type". They are more than willing to mate and produce kids with them, but then want to run to big-daddy government when, like everyone warned them, the bad-boy skips out on raising the kids. All the while "good guys" aren't "exciting enough" to be considered potential mates. I've seen I don't know how many decent, caring guys passed over, only to watch those same women, ahem, *date* bad-boy types.
Yes, they should be "in slavery" (in a metaphorical context). Maybe the high cost of those actions will put a damper on those activities when other women see the high cost of those actions.
Originally posted by Chakotay
Why don't they pay us more?
Quod Possamus. Because they can.
Americans are too stupid to vote socialist, and too lazy to have another revolution.
Maybe Barack Obama will change all that
Originally posted by ben91069
Originally posted by rizla
What amazes me is that the same people being exploited are anti-union. Are people stupid? Are they controlled by the media.
Unions are a mixed blessing. The best example is the automotive industry. Unions do protect and benefit the employees, but it is at the expense of the product and the corporation. Now, if the corporation cannot make a profit, and cannot shake the union, then you will have strikes, loss of jobs, poor product quality, bad production efficiency, etc. All this ends up being pushed on the consumer who foots the bill. No one involved wants to lose anything so thats where the cost goes.
This is why it is difficult for anyone working an non-union job with the same skill sets cannot outright afford to go buy a new GM car, yet the same employee in a GM factory that is unionized could.
We have a Chrysler subsidiary where I live and the workers I see at the credit union routinely withdrawal $800 - $1000 cash when they deposit their checks weekly. GM is no different, I used to belong to a credit union that served a plant with GM guys there and they all have lots of disposable money. Eventually though, a union will destroy a company for the sake of the employees, which are a minority when it comes to the overall people employed in the US.