Keith Laney 'Ferrets" out a Rat on Mars

The basic fact is to assest that we are talking about an object which was there in a shot and wasn't there in another one. No need of self proclaimed geologist here: some people think to be educated just because blindly supports a sceptic view: no, it doesn't work so. Some sceptics points have been made here, and they're good: but hey, just to put it in a phrase: the wind can MOVE, not make MIRACLES

Survey Says! PHOTOSHOP!! Ding! Ding! Ding!

Originally posted by musikman


Survey Says! PHOTOSHOP!! Ding! Ding! Ding!

Really? how could you possibly tell?

Of course it is...that is because it was put together to illustrate the concept of the OP's source.

Gee, I'm out of sync with the world. Everybody is a bit testy this day and I'm in a good mood. I know, some of you are suffering from PCSD (Perceived Contact Stress Disorder)

I have to agree with the Texan on this, at least to a degree. We have no way of guessing what any exobiological lifeform would look like. There's still a lot of sea creatures swimming around that freak me out to consider as lifeforms.

IF we had a way to show movement, maybe by triangulation on other objects in the two pictures, then we could come closer to deciding just what we are seeing. As it is now, we have an interesting picture without enough data.

Originally posted by internos
The basic fact is to assest that we are talking about an object which was there in a shot and wasn't there in another one.

Have you followed the original site in some detail? The object never disappeared. This claim stems from two pics taken from two different vantage points and elevations, making the comparison guesswork at best...

Originally posted by tep200377

Nobody twisted your arm to post images of rocks and try them out as rats either..

Absolutely correct how intuitive of you I am here by choice... however I don't whine about 'wasting my time' It would simply seem logical to me that if someone thought this was a waste of time, surely they are capable of fixing that issue by simply not wasting anymore of their time here... does this not make sense?

Who hasn't a question or two to JL? JL is a conspiracy master, wouldn't that qualify for a lot of questions and serious answers?

Its not about questions its about obsession... no matter what the topic, no matter what the thread even when its one that John does not participate in nor is even aware of its still attack John, Learites and even create Learology etc... yet the minute I use a collective term like "Lemmings" you guys get all flustered...

Funny that... its okay to lump anyone that doesn't share your beliefs into "Learology" but when the shoe is on the other foot ya all whine like kindergarten kids



Well better to be labeled a "Learite" It has its perks... Lemmings have little future

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That is supposed to be a rat?

So is this rat a native of Mars or is this a suggestion that the footage was staged from a studio on Earth that has a rodent problem.?

This seems a bit too far for my tastes.

Unless it's a petrified deformed Rat, this is most certainly a rock.

Either way they both make for good pets.

- Lee

Originally posted by spikedmilk
Hey there Zorgon, long time no see - and welcome back.

Well I can only pop in once in a while the next couple months... but I will be lurking

Will he be joining the ranks of ATS? If not, how about some updates to his collection

I doubt it but he has added his own forum...
Hidden Mission Forum

Most of his updates are on the new Mars images...
www.keithlaney.net...

I will send you a contact via email... he too is very Medieval you know

Originally posted by NGC2736
Everybody is a bit testy this day and I'm in a good mood.

Testy? Not me... But glad to here you are in good spirits

As it is now, we have an interesting picture without enough data.

Quite true... but then until we can get some real data from a reliable choice... that is all we have. And seeing as only a mere handful ever bother to read documents we should do like the skeptics want...

Crawl back under that rock and forget about it and stop wasting time

well zorgon, i see it plain as day.... but the replys to this thread bring up an interesting point....the entire first page of replys are just variations of "u've been drinking too much 'cause life is impossible on mars."

what would martian life look like? for those that are outdoors people, sit iin one spot for a bit and all sorts of things start crawling out of the ground...some just to check you out, some 'cause you are not a threat.

so alot of hard core no's on this thread. not just a simple no, but an angry, how dare you think like that "no"......our society has been conditioned not to look 'outside the box' so-to-speak. and even when people do..they choose not to see things any different..why? and yes i do actually have the answer.......because then they will have to change the way they think about alot of things, and that change is hard to accept.

we spent how many millions on the rovers to study mars and we spend millions more to hide what has been found on mars. why?,why is there a need to hide? are we, as a species, that unprepared for what will/has been found?
who will believe the govt when they say they have found 'life' someplace else? will the govt be ridiculed? or will people be more of the mind of 'if the govt says so, i guess it must be true.'

Originally posted by DogHead
As for telling me to leave the thread... Why?

LOL Didn't tell ya to leave... merely suggested if you were 'wasting your time' here you might find better uses for it

You also proceed on the assumption that A) you know my reason for posting the Rat and B) that I was unaware of what was on the page that I linked to with the OP

As to your small list of what you consider 'viable' such as the fossils... I have already covered that in the pages on my site and extensively in several threads...

Just how long do you think we should dwell on one anomaly? Its a fickle public out here they bore easily...

In theory a single good anomaly just ONE should be enough proof or evidence... but it doesn't. To you its a fossil to me its the walled rectangle in AS11-41-6165that has converted more than one skeptic...

So perhaps you have a suggestion on how to get better copies of the images from NASA? And I am sure you must have ideas about presentation that would better suit your needs?

It would seem to me that if you have issues with material and presentation the best solution would be to 'do it yourself' and show us how it should be done... rather than criticize the few who at least try to bring topics to the table. I know you have the resources to do this, heck I bet you could even pay a research team to 'do it right'

And I am sure you have taken time to look over everything on our site and brushed it all off as 'a waste of time' or "BS" Hey no problem its a free country (for a little while longer anyway ) but fortunately for me... there are many who disagree with you And as I do this at my expense and offer it free without condition, I get to pick both style and topics



[edit on 25-1-2008 by zorgon]

The title of this thread should be here is a rock. That's exactly what it is, a rock. Zorgon/Lear have nothing better to do than comb the martian landscape for shapes and then give each other pats on the back.

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Why do you appear to do relatively little discussing of the actual anomalies, and a great deal of skeptic bashing? Who are you actually posting these things for? Just exactly who are you trying to get a reaction out of?

Originally posted by clearmind
so alot of hard core no's on this thread. not just a simple no, but an angry, how dare you think like that "no"......

Quite true... and no sense of humor to boot... seems they are so intent on the NO that they feel it their duty to pounce on each and every post in every thread on the topic...

There is no satisfying them... They only see the rocks...

As to the millions spent by NASA I have only ONE question...

WHY does NASA's chief scientist make the following presentation CLEARLY showing both a fossil and an artifact on Mars Rover images and yet refuse to answer any questions from the public on these two, and have no image reference number to look at?









Now I have managed to find that rock.... its nicknamed "Humphry" and NASA sent the Rover to drill into it...

But in the close up images there IS NO TRILOBITE on this rock, yet they showed this in a presentation to scientists... so what are they saying?

The artifact I have not yet found there are no easy to distinguish rocks in that image and there are about 200,000 to look at and with out a number or Sol date its a needle in a haystack

I have posted this before... it got little response... it did not raise any eyebrow nor call for an investigation...

and yet the Lemmings scream for evidence... but are silent when you find it

So back to finding more "Criiters" At least they get noticed

www.thelivingmoon.com...

[edit on 25-1-2008 by zorgon]

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Speaking of rodents:

Misconceptions about lemmings go back many centuries. In the 1530s, the geographer Zeigler of Strasbourg proposed the theory that the creatures fell out of the sky during stormy weather (also featured in the folklore of the Inupiat/Yupik at Norton Sound), and then died suddenly when the grass grew in spring. This was refuted by the natural historian Ole Worm, who first published dissections of a lemming, and showed that lemmings are anatomically similar to most other rodents.

Source | Wikipedia | Lemming

Like rats...

While many people believe that lemmings commit mass suicide when they migrate, this is not the case. Driven by strong biological urges, they will migrate in large groups when population density becomes too great. Lemmings can and do swim and may choose to cross a body of water in search of a new habitat. On occasion, and particularly in the case of the Norway lemmings in Scandinavia, large migrating groups will reach a cliff overlooking the ocean. They will stop until the urge to press on causes them to jump off the cliff and start swimming, sometimes to exhaustion and death. Lemmings are also often pushed into the sea as more and more lemmings arrive at the shore.

Source | Wikipedia | Lemming

They fling themselves into the abyss, yielding to the pressure of their like-minded brethren.

The myth of lemming mass suicide is long-standing and has been popularized by a number of factors. In 1955, Carl Barks...

Source | Wikipedia | Lemming

Who is an absolute God to those who know quality illustrated adventure...

...drew an Uncle Scrooge adventure comic with the title: The Lemming with the Locket. This comic, which was inspired by a 1954 National Geographic article, showed massive numbers of lemmings jumping over Norwegian cliffs. The suicide myth was further propagated by Walt Disney documentary White Wilderness in 1958 which includes footage of lemmings migrating and running head-long over a ledge.

Source | Wikipedia | Lemming

Those rotten Disney bastards! And I, as a kid, believed them!

(More evidence of the evil of Disney, can be found here: Evil Disney.)

An investigation in 1983 by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation's Brian Vallee, showed that the Disney film makers faked the entire sequence using imported lemmings (bought from Inuit children), a snow covered turntable on which a few dozen lemmings were forced to run, and literally throwing lemmings into the sea to show the alleged suicides.

Source | Wikipedia | Lemming

More evidence can be found here:

Evil Disney | Disney Lemming Myth | Yet Another Warm Fuzzy Disney Tale or How Disney Has Brainwashed You

Snopes.com | Urban Legends Reference Pages | White Wilderness Lemmings Suicide

Alaska Department of Fish & Game | Lemming Suicide Myth | Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

drkarl | Great Moments in Science | Lemmings Suicide Myth

As we can see from the above, lemmings have been used by the PTB to advance the accepted mainstream but ultimately erroneous version of "the way things are."

So, yeah...lemmings...

Originally posted by lee anoma
So is this rat a native of Mars or is this a suggestion that the footage was staged from a studio on Earth that has a rodent problem.?

Well NGC2736 is leaning towards a stowaway on the Lander just out sunning itself on the rock while it wonders what happened

I kinda like that version..

I mean it makes more sense, because skeptic keep telling me how much dust and debris get into the camera equipment to create all those anomalies in other photos so NASA must be pretty lax about those clean rooms lately

Zorgon, true sceptics are not your enemy. A true sceptic looks at something new with an open mind, when the evidence is summed up only then is an opinion formed. For instance, when I first saw this thread title I never thought ''bull crap, there's no rat on Mars'' before I looked at the pics and read the post, I only thought ''bull crap, there's no rat on Mars'' AFTER examination, I bet that was the same for all/most sceptics here. I actually respect your passion in the pursuit of uncovering cover-ups and conspiracies and such if it's any concilation, I just thought that the rat picture was seriously weak and was surprised that you entertained it. Keep researching though and don't lose the passion

Originally posted by Corum
Zorgon, true sceptics are not your enemy. A true sceptic looks at something new with an open mind, when the evidence is summed up only then is an opinion formed. For instance, when I first saw this thread title I never thought ''bull crap, there's no rat on Mars'' before I looked at the pics and read the post, I only thought ''bull crap, there's no rat on Mars'' AFTER examination, I bet that was the same for all/most sceptics here. I actually respect your passion in the pursuit of uncovering cover-ups and conspiracies and such if it's any concilation, I just thought that the rat picture was seriously weak and was surprised that you entertained it. Keep researching though and don't lose the passion

But, in the context of what i provided, does the thread not have some level of relevance?

You may disbelieve this particular example. But Keith Laney's point about life forms being observable via rock formations is spot on.

Consider this image, from the "Forest On Mars???" thread:




How did THOSE rocks move? Actually, they are more boulder like, so things like wind are much more suppositional.

In the overall context, a lifeform that looks like a rock (as described in the Keith Laney 'Rat' image series) is not far fetched. The eye rolling and unwillingness to discuss it as a possibility is exactly the kind of skepticism that I could do without.

We have eyes, we should let them see as clearly as possible. Not squint and shade to make stuff up and then get others to share our hallucination.

This thread is about a vexatious hoax. The only question is the purpose of the hoax.

As for not believing in life on Mars, now where would I have ever said such a thing? My personal opinion, based on first hand observation of Mars rocks and other interesting stuff is that yes indeed there is life on Mars. And it has no resemblance at all to this nonsense.

This is obfuscatory persiflage of the first order and it serves no purpose other than to set the more level heads and open minds against each other, to better serve the aims of those with pinhead agendas touting outlandish pseudo science.

As for paying for research on the issue of life on Mars, why on Earth would you assume I never have? It was one of the first major "indulgence" expenses I ever ran up with my first big truckload of cash from an earlier investment.

Hey Zorgon, you specialise in the irrelevant and the obtuse, why not jump over to the threads where Lear himself is being debunked and give us some pretty pictures to go with the discussion there?

As for Learology, that was an as$-kissing convention thread, not a term disparaging the man. How interesting that it has become a disparagement so quickly. Once again we see something quacking like a duck and waddling like a duck. As opposed to a rock and a fraudulent photoshopped animation foisted on the unaware as proof of a nonexistent ecology on Mars.

Tired routine, Zorgon. Tired routine. Get new writers for this season. Seriously.

Originally posted by DogHead
This is obfuscatory persiflage of the first order ...(snip)

One might propose that the use of the phrase "obfuscatory persiflage" would, itself, be obfuscatory persiflage.

Just saying.