Pseudoskeptics and Disinformants on ATS, page 1


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Topic started on 19-1-2008 @ 07:59 AM by Skyfloating
In 4 years of reading ATS I have become convinced that a troop of paid-disinformants is operating on ATS to stifle research, derail threads, make the good work of ATS members look stupid to the reader who only superficially browses a subject. These disinformants are often cloaked as skeptics but do not behave like real skeptics but rather like pseudoskeptics.

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The term pseudoskepticism (or pseudo-skepticism) denotes thinking that appears to be skeptical but is not. The term is most commonly encountered in the form popularised by Marcello Truzzi, through his Journal of Scientific Exploration, where he defined pseudoskeptics as those who take "the negative rather than an agnostic position but still call themselves 'skeptics'"[1] [2].


Sound familiar?

For all those Mars, UFO, 9/11, Paranormal, Ancient Civilizations researchers out there who have become disheartened by the onslaught of attacks of the pseudoskeptic and given up on their research, its high time to re-instate some confidence in researching views that deviate from the mainstream.


While a Professor of Sociology at Eastern Michigan University in 1987, Truzzi gave the following description of pseudoskeptics:While a Professor of Sociology at Eastern Michigan University in 1987, Truzzi gave the following description of pseudoskeptics:

In science, the burden of proof falls upon the claimant; and the more extraordinary a claim, the heavier is the burden of proof demanded. The true skeptic takes an agnostic position, one that says the claim is not proved rather than disproved. He asserts that the claimant has not borne the burden of proof and that science must continue to build its cognitive map of reality without incorporating the extraordinary claim as a new "fact." Since the true skeptic does not assert a claim, he has no burden to prove anything. He just goes on using the established theories of "conventional science" as usual. But if a critic asserts that there is evidence for disproof, that he has a negative hypothesis --saying, for instance, that a seeming psi result was actually due to an artifact--he is making a claim and therefore also has to bear a burden of proof.[3]


So much for the hysterical "show me evidence right now or its all untrue!" crowd.

This is particularly interesting:

Truzzi attributed the following characteristics to pseudoskeptics:
Truzzi attributed the following characteristics to pseudoskeptics:

The tendency to deny, rather than doubt [4]
Double standards in the application of criticism [5]
The making of judgments without full inquiry [6]
Tendency to discredit, rather than investigate [7]
Use of ridicule or ad hominem attacks in lieu of arguments[8]
Pejorative labeling of proponents as 'promoters', 'pseudoscientists' or practitioners of 'pathological science.'[9]

Presenting insufficient evidence or proof [10]
Assuming criticism requires no burden of proof [11]
Making unsubstantiated counter-claims [12]
Counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence [13]
Suggesting that unconvincing evidence is grounds for dismissing it [14]




What is this thread for?

* It provides a thread you can link to the next time a pseudoskeptic tries to derail your thread or confuse readers not familiar with the depth of a topic.

* It invites discussion about the methods and tactics of the pseudoskeptic.

* It invites disucssion about the reality of paid disinfo-agents on this board (some of which I will contribute to).


Remember, the true skeptic is a welcome asset to real research. He says: "Maybe its true, but probably not". The pseudoskeptic contributes nothing to research. Before examining or discussing he shoots out: "This is bunk. Nothing to see here!" For some pseudoskeptics this has become daily routine on ATS. Zero contribution, much destruction.

The discovery of new things can only come about with the childlike (not childish) vigor that enthusiasm and "dreaming big dreams" produce. Ive seen the passion of many able ATS-researchers destroyed by a particular brand of scoffing, ridicule and attack. Go through the archives and look how many once great contributors to the site no longer come here.

Beware of the inflationary use of the words "show evidence!". Beware of the manipulative phrasing some of them use. Beware of the twisting of words and the taking-out-of-context of quotes. There are many propaganda-warlike methods the Disinfo-Agent and the Pseudoskeptic use.

Progress the cause of publishing alternative views and non-mainstream information.



[edit on 19-1-2008 by Skyfloating]

[edit on 19-1-2008 by Skyfloating]


reply posted on 19-1-2008 @ 12:35 PM by Skyfloating
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Vojvoda: Thats scary and sad. I ocassionally notice something like that too. It also reminds us of having a certain amount of compassion with each and every anynomous poster. Who knows what someone is going through.


Mojo: Critical thinkers are great. I could name a at least a dozen skeptics I really like...not the kinds of the militant "search and destroy" types...but Im not gonna name names.


Polanski: True. Theres information out there that can get you killedwithin minutes of publication. I spent a lot of time reading through the archives of ATS. Its strange how many researchers on ATS have suddenly "disappeared", never to post again. "Last Login: April 15, 2004".
Maybe some really have gotten removed, while others just lost interest.

Dizziedame: I too have started threads with enthusiasm to share something great only to have the young flowers ripped apart before they even start blooming.

But after a few years of reading here you start to see a pattern with certain posters. The pattern is:

* They dont open their own threads
* They dont participate in any threads then one topic
* Every single post of theirs ridicules or attacks the topic.

Dont believe it? The archives make for an informative read. Check peoples profiles once in awhile. Check out their patterns of posting and their patterns of interest.

Im not saying that all of them are disinformants, but most are suspicious to say the least.

interestedalways: "To kill a thread" is the right expression. Rather than offering a balanced counter-view, you notice how some posters act like they urgently, urgently want you to stop posting, stop talking, stop researching.

IvanZana: Yes, there are hundreds, if not thousands of threads like that.
What often happens though is that a reader will get discouraged of looking into it if that reader keeps reading stuff like "This has been deebunked a long time ago. Nothing to see here. Move on!" But we´ll keep on pushing for more truth and more truth yet.

Musselwhite: I wasnt aware of that thread. Good one. Maybe a dangerous one.


reply posted on 19-1-2008 @ 01:57 PM by musselwhite
reply to post by Skyfloating



There are other outside factors that contribute to the whole but the most pressing issues are: (1) it does exist this rabbit-hole and (2) Project Blue Beam is but one source of mass control.

I reiterate, laying these truths aside, what would one?

IMO, by telling what I know to be true, is to inform. I want to know and understand. knowledge is the beginning of understanding and wisdom is the right application. i do note have the wisdom part down. I've done what was in my power to do.


reply posted on 19-1-2008 @ 03:52 PM by ipsedixit
I think that the OP is right when he suggests that there are paid disinfo agents in these forums. I don't believe they are numerous. A lot of the pig headed unreasonable responses to legitimate threads of inquiry can be written off to that medusa-headed phenomenon known as human psychology.

Paraphrasing Frank Zappa, "people are what they is" i.e., individual and often ornery.

It is useful to remember though that this is the dawning of the age of "asymmetric warfare." When things start going inexplicably wrong it might be wise to keep that in mind. You might be at war without knowing it.

It is also the age of cyberwarfare. That's the main reason I believe there are paid disinfo agents in these forums. Rooting around on the web in connection with the thread "O.J. Simpson: Sacking the Truth?" . . .

www.abovetopsecret.com...

. . . I found an interesting link that mentioned in passing a record company executive that had been unmasked by hackers as using his company's employees to post fabricated opinions on internet boards. Here's a quote:

www.policenet.com...

A good indicator of a cover-up is the extent and vehemence of attacks on all who question the "official" story. There are now on the internet persons, possibly organized cults, perhaps even auto responding, mock-bot engines, that denigrate individuals who disagree with the popular wisdom. The sameness of the responses, the childlike, new-age phrasing, the pedanticism, the personal aspersions, all indicate a primitive sort of artificial intelligence. Hackers recently uncloaked the president of a major Hollywood record company, or more likely his overworked and underpaid minions, posting over 7000 messages to various newsgroups on a variety of subjects.


So, (not quite) bottom line. If the above is true, it's out there, and if it's out there, it is probably in here as well.

I look at this stuff philosophically, maybe stoically is the right word. I think you have to keep your faith in truth, honesty and sincerity and trust in people's common sense. Most people eventually see through the B.S. Often times a sense of humour helps as well. There is no better straight man than a nitwit.



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