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Hey since I'm new could you u2u me those who you think are pseudo skeptics or paid dis-info agents? I promise not to harass or anything, that's not my style
People demanding proof of theories? Has to be paid debunkers. Couldn't be that an internet site can attract real jerks and pseudointellectuals. Also couldn't be that some members are fed up with some of the subject matter (see: Banning of Reptilian Videos in A &U
It is useful to remember though that this is the dawning of the age of "asymmetric warfare." When things start going inexplicably wrong it might be wise to keep that in mind. You might be at war without knowing it...
no problem with genuine skepticism, but I do have a problem with debunking. One involves a critical and analytical look at a given situation, the other is derailing the message/situation at any cost... and if the message can't be derailed then attack the messenger.
How hard is it too ignore posts you don't like?
Personally the people on the board that seem to post for the single purpose of derailing a thread through making fun of other posters, or starting petty arguments and baiting posters to make them mad is not the same as someone disagreeing with you.
For example, if someone posts a NASA picture from Mars showing say, an apple or even a skull, instead of admitting that the object does indeed look like an apple(skull), but may be something entirely different, they will state with conviction that it is just light and shadows. OK, so it may be light and shadows, but the question is, does it not LOOK like an apple (skull)? Why refuse to admit the obvious when anyone with a normal vision can see what the object looks like? To prove what it actually is may require further photographic evidence, but that is never suggested by these skeptics. They already know what can or cannot exist on Mars (or whatever the topic) and that is their position.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Vojvoda: Thats scary and sad. I ocassionally notice something like that too. It also reminds us of having a certain amount of compassion with each and every anynomous poster. Who knows what someone is going through.
Polanski: True. Theres information out there that can get you killedwithin minutes of publication. I spent a lot of time reading through the archives of ATS. Its strange how many researchers on ATS have suddenly "disappeared", never to post again. "Last Login: April 15, 2004".
Maybe some really have gotten removed, while others just lost interest.
Dizziedame: I too have started threads with enthusiasm to share something great only to have the young flowers ripped apart before they even start blooming.
But after a few years of reading here you start to see a pattern with certain posters. The pattern is:
* They dont open their own threads
* They dont participate in any threads then one topic
* Every single post of theirs ridicules or attacks the topic.
Dont believe it? The archives make for an informative read. Check peoples profiles once in awhile. Check out their patterns of posting and their patterns of interest.
Im not saying that all of them are disinformants, but most are suspicious to say the least.
interestedalways: "To kill a thread" is the right expression. Rather than offering a balanced counter-view, you notice how some posters act like they urgently, urgently want you to stop posting, stop talking, stop researching.
IvanZana: Yes, there are hundreds, if not thousands of threads like that.
What often happens though is that a reader will get discouraged of looking into it if that reader keeps reading stuff like "This has been deebunked a long time ago. Nothing to see here. Move on!" But we´ll keep on pushing for more truth and more truth yet.
Musselwhite: I wasnt aware of that thread. Good one. Maybe a dangerous one.
I've been a reader here for some years, even started a few. I have to agree with you here, if I remember correctly, the all out attacks started in earnest about two and a half years ago. I wonder how many people like myself just gave in to the ridicule and silliness of some of these disinformant's rantings after awhile.
Whithout a doubt, there are lurkers (on these forums at least) who's JOB it is to discredit postings. Even a dumb, uninformed citizen like myself can read and put 2 and 2 together.... I'm just happy to see someone finally take a stand against it on ATS, among the other forums where it probably exists.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Best example: I don't believe in 9-11 cia conspiracy so I don't bother visiting that board. I consider it a waste of time.
Originally posted by Vojvoda
You should be aware, too, that there are some people mentally ill [psychosis]. And I am very serious. I have black list in paper of some nicknames to which I don’t answer any more as they apparently need psychiatric help.
His name was Gary Webb.I like this topic,I have heard that ATS is monitored by the government so,some people wolud be disinfo agents.
Originally posted by polanksi
Why is it that some threads seem to be unsubstatiated while in others 'proof' is demanded and sources questioned? Many things are not known at this time and many other theories are put forth by 'disreputable'
sources but, most significant information is not mainstream to begin with. The author of Dark Alliance, Gary? was hounded by the mainstream and government disinfo but, was spot on. There are a lot of theoretical musing on ATS that can't or won't be sourced by the so-called 'reliable' sources you know the experts, supporters of the status quo. New and soon to be acceptable info most often comes from outside the dominant paradigm.
[edit on 19-1-2008 by polanksi]