Pine Gap Underground Entry?

reply to post by DogHead


Are you unable to respond to why you thought that the comment about dogs being fleshpuppets was interesting?

Also...any info that you are aware of regarding the dogheads?

Funnel-web spider, although I think someone's pulling your leg on the 'biting through a boot' thing. As far as I'm aware, no spider is capable of biting through rubber/leather (snakes, sure, but spiders I doubt it). But you're right, we do have 4 out of 5 of the most venomous creatures on the planet (or something along those lines).

DH, do you ever get frustrated by the secrecy? Or do you notice any frustrations from others you have worked with at the base? I understand that the vast majority of stuff that goes on at Pine Gap must remain secret because of national security and all that, but surely you agree that the existence of non-human intelligence is something that the entirety of humankind has a right to know about.

Are there ever any open discussions about the reasons for this secrecy, or do people just not ask?

Also, by your other posts you seem to have a diverse interest in paranormal phenomena, aliens and the like. Is this something you have always had, or is it something that was borne out of the time you spent and the experiences you had at Pine Gap?

reply to post by TheStev


Perhaps my leg was pulled. but on Discovery is where i saw it, and they claim that they have 1/4" fangs.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

What the investigators didn't count on was the attraction the EM activity might have for "black dogs". The so-called "moth man", when it appeared, attracted a lot of unwanted press attention to this little town, which was the last thing the gov't needed, having expended considerable sums in their secret research. So the Black Ops Brethren had to move in to size up the situation, and assess the impact of this black dog presence. My father, who headed a team of Kalo Lowve MIBs, set up observation post all over this town, hoping to catch sight of one of these things, and to silence further witnesses lest they contact the press or police. The whole situation turned into a monkey-house, ultimately.

Black Dogs and MIBs

Just like 3D objects with AI scripts I think there are a variety of "puppets" out there and just because the motivation of the puppet masters is not easy to divine does NOT add up to intelligent behaviour on the part of the puppet. I think some encounters are, as Vallee decided, totally staged from beginning to end just like a human psyops might be.

Also some physical traces seems to be conjured into existence rather than the product of normal mortal life processes.

But who is to say that in a few years the same won't be occurring in our own hospitals?

reply to post by TheStev


I am guessing they were referring to the atrax subspecies / mouse spider which is a big ass spider with the same fang structure. It can get through normal shoe leather, doubt it would do it to a work boot. Camel spiders on the other hand... Yiiikes.

Re: secrecy- it's more of a head shake and a rueful murmur over a coffee instead of a meeting of a cabal. It is essential to maintain compartmentalised security. It truly is. Not because of some ridiculous vast conspiracy but for public safety.

reply to post by DogHead


Do you know how many have died,and if so,were these deaths reported?

And if they were reported,what was given as the cause of the fatalities?

Originally posted by DogHead
reply to post by answerman

 

No idea why it would / wouldn't add up mate... It's a question of escorting people around the base. Anyway...

It sounds like you're saying that you doubled as a guide and nuclear technician. I could have it all wrong but it doesn't make sense to me that you can describe yourself as someone who worked in an area that could sterilize you (following a nasty incident) and that you worked at the base as a "manager of information".

But... I guess it's possible for junior level technicians to be required to do escort duties, though. I doubt it would happen to high-level staff and you admit to being ordered to work on the busted pipe by a Supervisor so you obviously were a low-level staff. That shouldn't mean you didn't see much (if not all of the base) but it would suggest you really shouldn't have had access to really classified information.

Like I said I could have it all wrong. I really am testing my levels of belief in what you're saying.

If we had a "shrug" emoticon it would probably convey my feelings better.

i work in private industry, but will still share what i have to say about Dogheads double duties as manager/facilities technician:

I am about as high as you can get on the food chain in my company without going executive. I like it this way, as i can still impact the individual (which helps me justify my wages, considering my disdain for money/greed). Even though i wouldn't HAVE to even pick up my own pen if i dropped it, i would never do something like that.

I will clean the mens restroom when there are no male facilities staff on duty and it really needs it. There is nothing i won't do. I even painted our training rooms, all by myself, between the hours of 12a-8a (i took those days off so i could do painting during our off hours).

His assistance in closing off a pipe during an emergency situation is not far fetched at all.

That is not to say the rest of the story isn't....just that one particular point is in line with my personal experience, and expectation of someone with a "Manager" job title.

Re: secrecy- it's more of a head shake and a rueful murmur over a coffee instead of a meeting of a cabal. It is essential to maintain compartmentalised security. It truly is. Not because of some ridiculous vast conspiracy but for public safety.

Sorry, I'm not sure I'm following. My understanding of compartmentalised security would support the idea that the existence of non-human intelligence could be revealed/confirmed without adversely affecting the security of the other 'compartments'.

Do you mean that secrecy on this particular issue is for public safety (ie the exploding heads/mass panic/rioting on the streets excuse)? If so, is it more to do with the nature and intent of these NHIs than their basic existence?

I'd have to say: while the reason may well be public safety (and probably a combination of other reasons as well), if the existence of non-human intelligence is being kept from the public, then it is in fact 'some ridiculous vast conspiracy'.

Originally posted by answerman
If we had a "shrug" emoticon it would probably convey my feelings better.

Mine too.

I really can't correct your assumptions and continue to be allowed to post this type of stuff here.

***Sorry, I'm not sure I'm following. My understanding of compartmentalised security would support the idea that the existence of non-human intelligence could be revealed/confirmed without adversely affecting the security of the other 'compartments'.

Depends what's in the compartments. Sorry, I stepped over the line even going there. Have no further comment.


***is it more to do with the nature and intent of these NHIs than their basic existence?

Yes.

***I'd have to say: while the reason may well be public safety (and probably a combination of other reasons as well), if the existence of non-human intelligence is being kept from the public, then it is in fact 'some ridiculous vast conspiracy'.

But it isn't exactly being kept from anyone, just separated out into different topics instead of total coverage.

Originally posted by DogHead

Originally posted by answerman
If we had a "shrug" emoticon it would probably convey my feelings better.

Mine too.

I really can't correct your assumptions and continue to be allowed to post this type of stuff here.

Okay. So long as you understand that there's so much of what you've posted that I want to believe, some I may accept, some that I may even fear. But I posted from the start that I wasn't sure how much faith I should put in your claims and I'm not going to change that.

:big shrug

Anyhoo - back on topic!
-Are the sattelites far enough from earth to allow us to reach, say, Mars?
-Do you have any idea where the rail guns set up to keep us on earth may be located?
You seem to think that China and India have designs on acquiring Australia. Are there any NHI's that may have the same agenda?
-What possible value could any NHI see in us or our planet?

Thanks for the answers. I'm sure it's a dangerous line you walk, and I feel bad for pushing you to the edge of it, but then we wouldn't be doing our job here at ATS if we didn't, right?!

But it isn't exactly being kept from anyone, just separated out into different topics instead of total coverage.

What I meant to say was proof of the existence of NHI is being kept from the public, which it most definitely is.

Interesting...

Same face, same relation tp pisces, also anonymous...

And loving Lovecraft.

Originally posted by DogHead

The satellites allegedly intercept and if by some miracle we could get through there would be further consequences. It's a ways out and they don't function further in towards the Earth-Moon system. That is second hand information from space scientists.

Great thread and thank you DH for taking the time to answer so many questions. Regarding your response above, how can we explain the Voyager probes which reached Jupiter etc and any other "deep" research shots which are out there.

Also ..

I live in North-Central TX which is going though somewhat of a "flap" as of late. I'm considering going down to the Dublin/Stephenville area to do some poking around. Should there be anything I should look for which usually escapes the attention of most investigators or researchers?

Thank you for any insight.

Great thread and thank you DH for taking the time to answer so many questions. Regarding your response above, how can we explain the Voyager probes which reached Jupiter etc and any other "deep" research shots which are out there.

If I may DogHead?

I'm pretty sure DogHead mentioned that robotics can get through but not much of anything living (aliens have managed to get through, for example, but have been trapped here ever since- according to DogHead).

Ahh thanks Answerman. That makes sense according to what DH has stated earlier in the thread. I did read that but didn't recall it when I posed my question.

Thanks again

Originally posted by DogHead
The satellites allegedly intercept and if by some miracle we could get through there would be further consequences.

Now that is a load of bull! Give me a ship and I'll show you how its done! I could go FTL just outside Earth's atmosphere, hell, I wouldn't even need to stay in the ecliptic!

Doesn't matter what's out there, and I doubt its a Dyson net...and I doubt it could catch me or any ET class ship!

Originally posted by Matyas

Originally posted by DogHead
The satellites allegedly intercept and if by some miracle we could get through there would be further consequences.

Now that is a load of bull! Give me a ship and I'll show you how its done! I could go FTL just outside Earth's atmosphere, hell, I wouldn't even need to stay in the ecliptic!

Doesn't matter what's out there, and I doubt its a Dyson net...and I doubt it could catch me or any ET class ship!

I have been wondering when you would start chiming in. I would really like you to start getting the "meat and potatos" out there, though.

I have heard about the "satellites" that have us in quarantine. There is some level of debate regarding it, but information is very, very little on this topic from what i have found. I question the ability of a "rail gun" to function in space for the long term. I would figure there would be some radiation source or something. But i haven't thought too much about it. A Rail Gun seems awefully "pulp sci fi" to me.

reply to post by Siddharta


GREAT research...



Mike and I must be the only two people on Earth with the same interests! Wow.

Just... Wow.