Is There A Conspiracy Of Atheists To Overthrow Christianity?

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox


That's ridiculous. Gay couples aren't going to go straight just because the law says they can't marry. Allowing gay marriage has zero impact on population whatsoever.

He wasn't saying they would go straight, he was giving reasons for government to discourage them from getting married NOT from having sex that way.

And yes, it IS mainly Christians trying to have it made into law. Constitutional law, no less.

Because for heaven's sake, -Christians- have so much room to talk about how to be married...

I think it IS a law and they want to change it to gays getting married. You know the same people that defend NAMBLA and their rights to have gay men sex with little boys and hell one barrier of debased depravity down two to go I mean why not let nambla have their way with the kids too? Gays got their way accepted it's only fair isn't it. Then we can have Man Boy Marriages. Hey,, don't look at me like I was looking at you when the talk of gays having all this was just as out of the question at one time.

It's only immoral if you're not gay, or is that a subjective thing we have to decide for ourselves by doing right because it's the right thing to do?

Gee that's what the nambla people say too. Then we can have Man and his Dog getting married. I can come up with all kinds of convoluted psychobabble about the "Beneficial" reasons it is in the interest of a greater good.

You know I love it how we are spoken of enmasse when you want to portray Christians as this BIG RIGHT WING BULLY but when you want to talk about us in discussions about whats the popular belief system then we are 80% 2 time a year christians.

Atheists and there teflon doublespeak

- Con

Nambla want the right to rape children.. very different from homosexual adults wanting to have long term CONSENTUAL relationships recognised by the law. The fact that you compare the two is sickening and biggoted.

No conspiracy, but people want a freedom to choose.

If your an evangelical Christian...imgagine (truly sit and meditate on this) if Islam became defacto over night. Bet you wouldnt like it - cause your right.

Same with Islam, imagine that with the Christians...goes for every religion...oh, wait.
Buddhist dont want to convert you, etc.

Its just the mainstream, zealots that want that.

No conspriacy, just people tired of those who 'know' they are right trying to force stuff down their throat.

Believe what you want...doesnt really mattter, but people have the right to choose what they want to believe without being hated if they dont conform to your standards or not being treated equally.

I think the true conspiracy is that certain Christians want to feel sorry for themselves (and muslims alike) and make it seem they are the victim.

peace

dAlen

Originally posted by melatonin

You took anothers words and ideas and presented them as your own. Con, you can squirm all you like, but that was plagiarism

First,, No idea was taken because it wasn't an idea it was dates names of people and the events that happend. You don't like it SUE$ ME

Second I don't squirm mel,, , YOU ain't gonna make me squirm over small stuff. Ive been in a war and Mel,, after something like that,,

IT's ALL SMALL STUFF


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Get over it. Now you can make a humble retraction for your error about Osborn being an atheist. .

You know how such a christian would hate to be associated with such 'church-burning ebola boys'

I did as you requested but what did you mean by this "You know how such a christian would hate to be associated with such 'church-burning ebola boys' Whats that about

Can we get back to this topic now








[edit on 3-3-2008 by Conspiriology]

Originally posted by Freeborn



First of all I would like to say that I'm pretty much disgusted that part of this thread has degenerated into some sort of homophobic tirade.

Oh I don’t know if I'd go as far as saying anyone’s homophobic but some of the issues about gays like those you mention below I think are the best way to look at it

I don't really care if someone is gay or not.
It's irrelevant to spiritual and religious belief.

I personally find the thought of homosexual acts repugnant, simply because I'm heterosexual.

Yeah I know watching two guys kiss sends me lurching to the bathroom lol I hate it when I see it on TV and it catches me by surprise,, I'm like OH MAN,, I just can't see the attraction when it comes to their elegant sleek soft lines, smooth skin, the soothing voice of the female of our species,,

Hard to fathom, but I guess to each his or her own.
I just think woman are the coolest thing eer (close your eyes) God Created.

But what consenting adults get up to in the privacy of there own 4 walls is there business.
And who the hell am I, or anyone else, to deny someone the right to publicly display their affection and commitment to each other?
Who on earth gets hurt by two people entering into any form of union?

Well Fox said something like this too and it's like anything else having to do with the that dynamic, I know what I'd tell people if they were getting on my neck about what’s my own business.

Science is a fluid process which is constantly evolving as our understanding grows.
I don't see where the conflict is?
Different interpretations yes, but to deny the scientific process is denying reason and putting blind faith in opinion rather than facts and evidence.

Well that I'm afraid is just what they have done. Science should not limit itself to the facts of evidence that we are limited to experiencing via the five senses. Science has proven by discovering so many new realms, dimensions singularity's and if their are multiple universes.

Random chance and mutation with every other sentence saying it is assumed or we must assume that this or that happened when I can say the same thing about God. Atheism is tied to evolution at the hip and no one is going to tell me they aren't intertwined in using it to overthrow God because it is everywhere out there.

If they say we can't allow kids to explore possibilities other then what they limit to the natural then science isn't going to discover much and most of it generation after generation gets people in the embryonic stages of their education indoctrinating them with a disdain for religion and an unjustified hatred for a god they don't even believe in.

It is their Agenda it is their plan and I have been to the meetings in 5 states and that’s all they talk about.

Freeborn,, I really don't even believe it is an issue about Science as I do an issue of God. Not even religion, I mean it is like Sam Harris says; their objectives are to be under the radar. Until you see it for your self,

None of us will ever get the unequivocal proof until we die or "Judgement Day", so why all the anger?

Ha I know and until I started seeing marches and law suits for nit picky crap and seeing all this talk about DESTROYING RELIGION,, I had nothing, not a thing against Atheists. Now,, all the word tricks and double speak saying they aren't a religion they aren’t this or that or like mad says his religious expression is NO but they aren't a religion so if he has none and I do, his "NO", takes precedence over my "Yes" and the first amendment protects gays and Atheists but Many Religious get sued for saying a prayer or School Play's during Christmas where they have to bleep out the word God so it won't offend an atheist because they get the ACLU involved separation Church and state was intended to mean that the Government would NOT interfere in religious expression but what it has done is made it an Atheist Religion or unless your Religious expression is NO then you can't by law.

To me,, I see that as crybaby crap and NO I don't believe they are offended by seeing the baby Jesus in a manger but will say if you don't like porn gay sex then just turn your head. The only reason they says it offends them is that it is the defining language in the law where one has to be made to feel like an outsider or alienated and if they are then that’s when Government steps in on behalf of Atheists but our Religious expression is getting silenced.

Pray in the corner, or not at all
Senior citizens told to keep God out of their Senior Center

For 20 years, senior citizens at the Balch Springs (Texas) Senior Center have used the facility for social programs and recreational events. A group of Christian seniors had also gathered – without government interference – at the center to sing gospel songs and hear the Word of God from a retired pastor. These seniors quietly say a word of thanks to the Lord when they receive their meals at the center. All prayers and participation in the worship service are voluntary – no one is coerced into praying or attending.

Then things changed. In August 2003, the city of Balch Springs enacted a new policy demanding that all mealtime prayers, gospel music, and “religious messages” cease immediately. No other group was silenced, only Christians.
www.myreligiousrights.org...

ACLU tries to tear down cross
ADF and its allies defend veteran’s memorial
The towering white cross adorning the hilltop at Mount Soledad dates back to 1954 and is part of the Korean War memorial. The battle to save the now 52-year-old cross began in 1989, after a single atheist sued the city of San Diego in an effort to remove it. The ACLU backed this efforts starting in 1999.

In 2005, over 76% of San Diegans voted to save the cross by authorizing its transfer to the federal government. ADF and Liberty Legal got involved, representing the The American Legion and The American Legion California chapter respectively. In addition, Congress passed legislation transferring the property to the National Park Service, making it a National War Memorial. As a result, the 9th Circuit has ruled that this legal effort to remove the cross is now moot and the cross can remain – for now. The ACLU still has other lawsuits in the works to have the cross removed.
www.myreligiousrights.org...

No room at the inn
ADF intervenes after public library shelves nativity scene
Brandi Chambless, a member of the music ministry at Broadmoor Memphis Church, submitted an announcement for display on the library's community shelves regarding the church's upcoming Christmas show. Library officials accepted the announcement but told Chambless that she would have to remove the "religious figures" of the baby Jesus, Joseph, Mary, and the wise men from an accompanying nativity scene and limit it to farm animals alone.www.myreligiousrights.org...

I have had Atheists get angry at me for saying "God Bless you” after a sneeze.

Oh, and by the way, it strikes me that Atheists are as opinionated and unopen to alternative arguements as Theists are.

Yep! I been saying that for months here and they are just as dogmatic
But even more intolerant. You see they don't like ANY religion but specifically Christians.

I am preparing a rebuttal about that the Tripoli post madd made.

- Con







[edit on 3-3-2008 by Conspiriology]

reply to post by sizzle


the problem with the original post, is that people are not against christians...they are against religions that try and control people through their religious doctrine of fear and persecution. it is pretty simple. believe me, nobody really cares if you or any other person believes in a god...it is when you start to demand other people to do so, that i too, will aggressively and perhaps, if pushed, violently oppose you. and those of you that are christian, muslim, and jewish, might want to study the more older, wiser, more truly peaceful religions of taoism, and buddism.

[edit on 3-3-2008 by jimmyx]

Let me prefact this with the fact that I am not an athiest.
I find athiesm to suffer from the same failings as any organized religion. Therefore it is to my mind a religion itself.

Now with that out of the way: The very title of this thread is a presumptuous threat to anyones individual freedoms.

Christianity does not rule my life. Has no right to do so, and therefore cannot be "Overthrown". It is simply not my keeper.

You need to look carefully at yourself, before examining others for warts!

Originally posted by Conspiriology

Atheists and there teflon doublespeak

- Con

Christian Republicans like Larry Craig and Mark Foley just.. are gay.

But they say what they mean darnit! Gays suck!

By Gawd the Republican Whips know that by now.

You think CAFTA passed because it was a good idea, or just seemed like one in the cloak room?

You're funny.

reply to post by RANT

Mark Foley, sure, but Larry Craig voted NO on implementing CAFTA didn't he?

At any rate Neither of the two are classified as atheists? Maybe they were attempting to overthrow Christianity through hypocrisy, but not through votes.

one thing i'd like to point out....where are the atheists in positions of power?
it's kind of hard to run a conspiracy when you don't have those...

i can think of one elected official in federal government and i can think of several states that have laws barring atheists from office...but i can't see any particularly powerful atheist.

Originally posted by Cyberbian
I find athiesm to suffer from the same failings as any organized religion. Therefore it is to my mind a religion itself.

This simply is not true. Atheism is a lack of faith rather than a faith. I don't have faith that there is no god, rather I don't believe because there is no real-world empirical evidence supporting such beliefs, There is however a great over-abundance of evidence supporting the cold hard fact that humans are quite adept at concocting myths and fables and that the human mind is frail and prone to delusional ideation. I simply lack any information convincing enough to come to the conclusion that stories of gods and devils are anything more than myths arising from delusion, the desire for control or both.

Now I have friends who are atheists but we don't get together to hold atheistic study groups. Nor do we pray to Dawkins, anyone or anything else. In fact atheism rarely comes up as a topic of discussion. We also have no need to read atheistic publications to cement our position and there are no atheistic holy books. Being an atheist plays no part in our professions or in our daily activities or interactions with people and things. Atheists do not make displays of ritualistic behavior. They do not do any of the things religionists do to maintain their religiosity so calling it a religion or making any such comparison is absurd. However, I can certainly understand why a religionist would want to drag an atheist down to their level. They know they are not able to offer even a sliver of rationality to explain for the very apparent unreality of their beliefs so they attempt to compare the atheist to themselves.



[edit on 5-3-2008 by Lilitu]

Originally posted by Lilitu

Originally posted by Cyberbian
I find athiesm to suffer from the same failings as any organized religion. Therefore it is to my mind a religion itself.

Being an atheist plays no part in our professions or in our daily activities or interactions with people and things. Atheists do not make displays of ritualistic behavior. They do not do any of the things religionists do to maintain their religiosity so calling it a religion or making any such comparison is absurd.

"Being an atheist plays no part in our professions or in our daily activitiesor interactions with people and things."


This post has all the fervor of a religious sermon on Atheism.

there is always conspiracy whenever christianity is mentioned

reply to post by Bigwhammy


so when atheists defend ourselves against allegations we're making "sermons" now?

the post you call a "sermon" seems to be more of an explanation than anything else...

reply to post by madnessinmysoul

Being an atheist plays no part in our professions or in our daily activitiesor interactions with people and things."

Now if that was true why would she be posting here about atheism. Isn't this interactions with people???? Of course it is.

I call it atheistic evangelism. Atheists do just as much as Christians if not more. Look at all the threads attacking the Bible, Jesus was Horus or saying Moses was on drugs or whatever. There is a TON of atheistic evangelism going on at ATS.

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
reply to post by madnessinmysoul

 

Being an atheist plays no part in our professions or in our daily activitiesor interactions with people and things."

Now if that was true why would she be posting here about atheism. Isn't this interactions with people???? Of course it is.

...so defending yourself against an accusation is now something active?
and the point was DAILY.
this is incidental, one post.
the point was that being an atheist doesn't play a part in doing a job, playing sports, eating a sandwich, or other day-to-day activities.

I call it atheistic evangelism. Atheists do just as much as Christians if not more.

i can't help but scoff at this ridiculous claim
we don't evangelize. evangelizing is something where you try to convert people to your position actively...we actually just try to let people hear our side of the issue and let them choose....

Look at all the threads attacking the Bible,

it's a book open for scrutiny, just as any other.
...and look at all the threads (hypocritically) attacking the koran

Jesus was Horus

that's a legit theory
just as legit as the one that he's the son of god

or saying Moses was on drugs or whatever.

...that was something that came out of a study, not some sort of slur. someone posted a news item, it's not evangelism.
and the thread is simply there to discuss the story, the post doesn't even have any position on the issue.

There is a TON of atheistic evangelism going on at ATS.

hmmm
a tally of the 1st pages of FST and CiR shows that you're wrong
especially when threads you're labeling as "atheistic evangelism" aren't such...

reply to post by madnessinmysoul


Dude look at your avatar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

An advertisement for Atheism

Case closed.

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
reply to post by madnessinmysoul

 

Dude look at your avatar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

An advertisement for Atheism

Case closed.

It also could be just a public expression of defiance to this and the other threads that openly persecute atheist members while claiming to be 'moral'.

Some religions are meant to be against persecution.. it's a real shame yours isn't.

Originally posted by riley
Some religions are meant to be against persecution.. it's a real shame yours isn't.

Christianity stems from the teachings of Christ. What were the teachings of Christ?

Don't judge or you will be judged.
Love your fellow man.
Turn the other cheek.
Help the poor, needy, and downtrodden.
Witness to others but if they decline then simply walk away.
No violence.

Sorry a bunch of doofuses ruined the reputation of the many but the 'religion' (based on the teachings of Christ) is against persecution.

Originally posted by AshleyD

Originally posted by riley
Some religions are meant to be against persecution.. it's a real shame yours isn't.

Christianity stems from the teachings of Christ. What were the teachings of Christ?

Don't judge or you will be judged.
Love your fellow man.
Turn the other cheek.
Help the poor, needy, and downtrodden.
Witness to others but if they decline then simply walk away.
No violence.

Sorry a bunch of doofuses ruined the reputation of the many but the 'religion' (based on the teachings of Christ) is against persecution.

Really..?
Yet you also started a thread deliberately insulting and persecuting a specific group of people.

I thought since you and others were in fact going against the pincibles Jesus taught that you must've belonged to some other belief sytem.. otherwise that would be just really hypocritical.

I still do not think you are against persecution as you've indulged in it. While you might be able to preach some of his teachings.. you certainly have not practiced them with your follow members. Jesus was meant to be a pacifist not an antagonist.

Blessed are the peacemakers.

[edit on 7-3-2008 by riley]